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From: <wabenbau@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 02:31:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150404023130.695f6521@hal9000.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGfcS_mQ3KUYpLZN7s4G8Ct88BkambCTu5eWErX7S-NL2-Du9A@mail.gmail.com>

Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Peter Humphrey
> <peter@prh.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Friday 03 April 2015 17:11:11 Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
> >
> >> That's the problem with science in general. The one thing it may
> >> never be able to answer is "why?".
> >
> > I think that's the crux of the problem with some current approaches
> > to physics. Science does not answer the question "why?". That isn't
> > its job. Its job is to explain show "this is how the world works."
> 
> I think the ultimate goal though is to get down to root cause.
> 
> I can have a model that does a great job explaining the behavior of a
> magnet without ever mentioning what a photon or electron is.  However,
> compared to our current understanding of electromagnetism such a model
> is rather poor.
> 
> This is how science has worked for hundreds of years.  It has really
> only become a fashion in the last few decades to lower the bar and say
> "well, we'll probably never understand how this works - that isn't
> science's job - my theory predicts the results of most of the
> experiments we can do within some realm of precision and that is good
> enough."
> 
> As I said, I think this is hubris.  We think that the fact that we
> haven't figured out the answer means that nobody can figure out the
> answer.

Maybe I'm wrong but I'm tending to assume that we can't figure out 
what's really behind the scene as a matter of principle. I think that
all we can do is making theories which are able to predict the 
processes that we are detect. 

Mathematics is our basic tool to build these theories. A fundamental 
question is, whether the mathematical axioms are existing "for real" 
and we just discovered them or are they grounded by the functionality
of our mind/brain. In the latter case it would probably be impossible 
for us to find "the answer". (42!;)

Nevertheless we always should try to get a deeper understanding of the 
underlaying mechanisms. But I really have my doubts that we ever will
reaching the "ground", if there is one at all. And even if there is 
something like a "absolute reality" or a "reason for everything", we 
maybe are not able to really understand it. 

--
Regards
wabe


  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-04  2:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-02 22:33 [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer Boricua Siempre
2015-04-02 23:25 ` Ivan Viso Altamirano
2015-04-02 23:30   ` Ivan Viso Altamirano
2015-04-02 23:59   ` Fernando Rodriguez
2015-04-02 23:33 ` Ivan Viso Altamirano
2015-04-03  0:07   ` Peter Humphrey
2015-04-03  3:05 ` wabenbau
2015-04-03  3:30   ` wabenbau
2015-04-03 10:58     ` Rich Freeman
2015-04-03 11:06       ` Peter Humphrey
2015-04-03 12:03         ` Rich Freeman
2015-04-03 21:11           ` Fernando Rodriguez
2015-04-03 23:02             ` [OT] " Peter Humphrey
2015-04-03 23:15               ` Peter Humphrey
2015-04-03 23:24               ` Rich Freeman
2015-04-04  0:31                 ` wabenbau [this message]
2015-04-04 11:23                   ` Philip Webb
2015-04-04 11:35                     ` Rich Freeman
2015-04-04 15:41                       ` Alan McKinnon
2015-04-05  4:52                         ` Boricua Siempre
2015-04-05  9:11                           ` Neil Bothwick
2015-04-04  0:36               ` Fernando Rodriguez
2015-04-03 23:30             ` Rich Freeman
2015-04-04  1:27               ` Fernando Rodriguez
2015-04-03 23:57             ` Alan McKinnon
2015-04-04  0:13               ` Fernando Rodriguez
2015-04-04  0:50               ` wabenbau
2015-04-04  3:33                 ` Fernando Rodriguez
2015-04-04  9:08                 ` Alan McKinnon
2015-04-04  2:08         ` Walter Dnes
2015-04-03  6:20   ` Fernando Rodriguez
2015-04-04  2:16     ` wabenbau
2015-04-04  3:37       ` wabenbau
2015-04-04  3:29     ` wabenbau
2015-04-04  1:48 ` microcai

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