From: <wabenbau@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 02:31:30 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150404023130.695f6521@hal9000.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGfcS_mQ3KUYpLZN7s4G8Ct88BkambCTu5eWErX7S-NL2-Du9A@mail.gmail.com>
Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Peter Humphrey
> <peter@prh.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Friday 03 April 2015 17:11:11 Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
> >
> >> That's the problem with science in general. The one thing it may
> >> never be able to answer is "why?".
> >
> > I think that's the crux of the problem with some current approaches
> > to physics. Science does not answer the question "why?". That isn't
> > its job. Its job is to explain show "this is how the world works."
>
> I think the ultimate goal though is to get down to root cause.
>
> I can have a model that does a great job explaining the behavior of a
> magnet without ever mentioning what a photon or electron is. However,
> compared to our current understanding of electromagnetism such a model
> is rather poor.
>
> This is how science has worked for hundreds of years. It has really
> only become a fashion in the last few decades to lower the bar and say
> "well, we'll probably never understand how this works - that isn't
> science's job - my theory predicts the results of most of the
> experiments we can do within some realm of precision and that is good
> enough."
>
> As I said, I think this is hubris. We think that the fact that we
> haven't figured out the answer means that nobody can figure out the
> answer.
Maybe I'm wrong but I'm tending to assume that we can't figure out
what's really behind the scene as a matter of principle. I think that
all we can do is making theories which are able to predict the
processes that we are detect.
Mathematics is our basic tool to build these theories. A fundamental
question is, whether the mathematical axioms are existing "for real"
and we just discovered them or are they grounded by the functionality
of our mind/brain. In the latter case it would probably be impossible
for us to find "the answer". (42!;)
Nevertheless we always should try to get a deeper understanding of the
underlaying mechanisms. But I really have my doubts that we ever will
reaching the "ground", if there is one at all. And even if there is
something like a "absolute reality" or a "reason for everything", we
maybe are not able to really understand it.
--
Regards
wabe
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-04-04 2:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-04-02 22:33 [gentoo-user] Question of quantum computer Boricua Siempre
2015-04-02 23:25 ` Ivan Viso Altamirano
2015-04-02 23:30 ` Ivan Viso Altamirano
2015-04-02 23:59 ` Fernando Rodriguez
2015-04-02 23:33 ` Ivan Viso Altamirano
2015-04-03 0:07 ` Peter Humphrey
2015-04-03 3:05 ` wabenbau
2015-04-03 3:30 ` wabenbau
2015-04-03 10:58 ` Rich Freeman
2015-04-03 11:06 ` Peter Humphrey
2015-04-03 12:03 ` Rich Freeman
2015-04-03 21:11 ` Fernando Rodriguez
2015-04-03 23:02 ` [OT] " Peter Humphrey
2015-04-03 23:15 ` Peter Humphrey
2015-04-03 23:24 ` Rich Freeman
2015-04-04 0:31 ` wabenbau [this message]
2015-04-04 11:23 ` Philip Webb
2015-04-04 11:35 ` Rich Freeman
2015-04-04 15:41 ` Alan McKinnon
2015-04-05 4:52 ` Boricua Siempre
2015-04-05 9:11 ` Neil Bothwick
2015-04-04 0:36 ` Fernando Rodriguez
2015-04-03 23:30 ` Rich Freeman
2015-04-04 1:27 ` Fernando Rodriguez
2015-04-03 23:57 ` Alan McKinnon
2015-04-04 0:13 ` Fernando Rodriguez
2015-04-04 0:50 ` wabenbau
2015-04-04 3:33 ` Fernando Rodriguez
2015-04-04 9:08 ` Alan McKinnon
2015-04-04 2:08 ` Walter Dnes
2015-04-03 6:20 ` Fernando Rodriguez
2015-04-04 2:16 ` wabenbau
2015-04-04 3:37 ` wabenbau
2015-04-04 3:29 ` wabenbau
2015-04-04 1:48 ` microcai
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=20150404023130.695f6521@hal9000.localdomain \
--to=wabenbau@gmail.com \
--cc=gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox