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[217.169.3.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id jt8sm2291637wid.4.2015.04.03.04.07.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Apr 2015 04:07:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Mick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Purchase and setup of monitor calibration device Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 12:07:10 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.18.9-gentoo; KDE/4.14.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <20150328114155.GB5901@kern.lan> <20150402212610.GA19373@asp.lan> <20150403035707.058bb991@hal9000.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <20150403035707.058bb991@hal9000.localdomain> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2049554.y0ijLN3T1Y"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201504031207.29081.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: d94c3901-6be6-4e11-8e9e-f0fd52789ea1 X-Archives-Hash: a12c8b38c030578de8dc2e398088fa0d --nextPart2049554.y0ijLN3T1Y Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Friday 03 Apr 2015 02:57:07 wabenbau@gmail.com wrote: > Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > > > A wide gamut monitor is a great thing even if you don't need it for > > > softproofing. I shot a lot of colorful photos (e.g. from bugs, > > > blossoms and live concerts with colored limelights). They look > > > great on an AdobeRGB monitor but much more "boring" on a standard > > > monitor. > >=20 > > If the monitor is the only means of looking at the photos and the > > photos are the only reason for the monitor, then it=E2=80=99s not enoug= h for > > me (right now anyway). And as far as I read, watching movies on a > > wide gamut will not be a very good experience, as those are tuned to > > look good on =E2=80=9Cnormal=E2=80=9D displays, resulting in much overs= aturated > > colours. >=20 > That's true as long as you cannot switch the color space of the monitor > to sRGB. But there are some models which can be used in sRGB as well as > in AdobeRGB color space. The Samsung that I bought even has some > additional modes for NTSC, PAL and HD-TV. When I watch videos, the colors > are much better than on my PlasmaTV. >=20 > > > I also thought about buying an Eizo. But they are very pricy. An > > > Eizo without wide gamut, without factory calibration and without > > > 16bit LUT hardware calibration costs more as my Samsung with all > > > these features. Maybe the Eizo is more reliable over the years, but > > > who knows. > >=20 > > I used to buy Samsung, but I don't like how they treat their > > customers in recent times, so they are on my no-buy list (same as > > Sony). And I do have a knack for buying more pricey stuff if it=E2=80= =99s > > worth the quality. It gives me a feeling of =E2=80=9Cmine=E2=80=99s bet= ter than > > yours=E2=80=9D. :o) Sure, I don=E2=80=99t quite like the lack of connec= tions and > > features on the Eizo (such as picture-in-picture or HDMI), but I do > > like their appearance (no gloss, no touch buttons, no wobbly stand). >=20 > I'm sure that Eizo produces great monitors but the only one that fits > my meets (>=3D30",UHD, AdobeRGB + sRGB, Hardware Calibration) is the > CG318-4K. But it costs about 7500=E2=82=AC and I was not willing to pay t= his > price. :-) > I'm really willing to pay for high quality products, but if I can get > about the same quality for _much_ less money then the choice is easy > for me. And meanwhile I'm realistic enough to realize that my personal > purchase decisions are not affecting the market-price of such a big and > successful company like Samsung is. >=20 > > > Try out an Spider4. You can buy it as a new device for about 75=E2=82= =AC. > > > Test the results on your monitors and when you are not satisfied, > > > just send it back. No risk at all. > >=20 > > I=E2=80=99m also not a big fan of that (buying and sending back). Espec= ially > > if you buy it for a purpose and only then find out it=E2=80=99s not ade= quate > > or downright broken. While it=E2=80=99s convenient, it produces a clima= te of >=20 > I think sending a product back is ok as long as one don't do this > intentional only to try out this product. > But I think that when one buy for example a colorimeter that is > according to its manufacturer able to handle monitors with LED backlight > monitors but then it fails to do so, it is absolutely ok to send it back. >=20 > Also when I buy an expensive so called "high quality" product but in fact > it has a lousy quality (like the two Dell U3011, the LG 31MU97-B or the > first Samsung U32D970Q that I bought) I really don't have any qualms of > conscience when I send it back. >=20 > > =E2=80=9Cit=E2=80=99s normal that what you buy may be crap and you=E2= =80=99ll have to try > > again=E2=80=9D. It gives manufacturers the freedom to cut even more cor= ners > > without anyone complaints from the consumers. And it=E2=80=99s ecologic= al > > absurdity on all ends, considering how toxic electronic manufacturing > > is. >=20 > I'm working as a photographer and like most of them I own a bunch of > lenses. I only bought (and will buy) high quality professional lenses > from well known manufactures, no cheap consumer glasses. These lenses > are the best you can get and are really expensive. And for the lot of > money that I have to pay for it, I expect a perfect quality. But more > than once I had to send back a lens, because it was faulty (for example > bad centering, big inclusions or one time even scratches in the glass, > unusable AF etc.). >=20 > When I buy cheap, I don't expect much. But when sometimes even expensive > professional products from well known vendors are crappy because of bad > quality control, what else can I do than sending the crap back to the > vendor? I don't believe that the manufacturer will produce better stuff > when I would stay with the crap. >=20 > > This is also why I put a lot of time and energy into research before I > > purchase something pricey. For instance, I read in hardware forums and > > through reviews for many weeks before I finally decided on all > > components of my PC that I assembled last year. I didn=E2=80=99t want t= o get > > into a situation that would force me to return something, b/c there > > is also risk involved - the extra expense, parts break during > > shipping, or problems with the retailer. I can=E2=80=99t be bothered wi= th the > > hassle. >=20 > I also do much research before I buy something. My wife often calls me > crazy because I sometimes need weeks before I make a decision, even when > I just wanna buy some LED bulbs for our kitchen. :-) >=20 > But when I wanna buy something that is rarely bought before by others > (because its a new product or because its very expensive or special) then > I sometimes can't find many information about it and therefore I have > to try it out by myself. >=20 > And even when I find a test report about a product, I can't rely on it. > For example I read a test report at Prad that attested a great quality > for the LG 31MU97-B. But in reality its color and luminosity evenness > doesn't meet my requirements and it also had a faulty firmware. >=20 > > OK I noticed this has become more of a political manifesto. So I=E2=80= =99m > > gonna stop here. :) >=20 > Many years ago I was much more idealistic than nowadays. For example I > said, that I never would buy a product from MS. But now a Windows PC > stands beside me, because I need it for RAW conversion and image editing. > Yes I know that there are RawTherapee, Darktable, Gimp etc. but I have > to live from my work and I often have to edit hundreds of photos within > a short time and I can't do this (yet) with OpenSource. >=20 > But of course there are still some principles to which I (hopefully) ever > will stick to. But I don't wanna explain them here because our discussion > is already way off topic. :-) >=20 > -- > Regards > wabe Since this is off topic anyway, what did you conclude with your research on= =20 LED lighting? Is it really worth the cost, or are we talking of yet one mo= re=20 marketing lifecycle? =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart2049554.y0ijLN3T1Y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAABCAAGBQJVHnRwAAoJELAdA+zwE4YeZgIIAIcinhue3ohn+hVkWVxDWiDt FX/Vwi54ZESqb8H2axCnBCwP9YxRZ7+L0ZFnED7KqLCmtuSh+VMSX1Q4xU0dmJMK kQW9ogbR2K118sqwW31pQwa2Wo8HJIxvptBS2CyINL+z1iqaD3l/2vkJzAarkFmE t9gXdbp9MCPKLZkN3cKgRP6B236ZoGb5OLxL8zXsFBIDf4qTu/DOIVInY30jdPt9 hy2/wP6BwFaVXtNWKmX+MURYU/OpQbE2AstPUdmQ/21EE5fowGsL8Ja739zhEaUy +rCJh+JqHUK9jb9i0tXP3fse8hh3o3gwiAnlOUxgUuV/bJ+fr/hZN545lidTvF0= =vy60 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2049554.y0ijLN3T1Y--