From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699101389F5 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 2015 21:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E9286E09C4; Thu, 2 Apr 2015 21:26:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A34F7E08D4 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 2015 21:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asp.lan ([84.184.158.164]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M1jKo-1ZSroU16eA-00to2Z for ; Thu, 02 Apr 2015 23:26:12 +0200 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 23:26:10 +0200 From: Frank Steinmetzger To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Purchase and setup of monitor calibration device Message-ID: <20150402212610.GA19373@asp.lan> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <20150328114155.GB5901@kern.lan> <20150328184509.4ed9c3b5@hal9000.localdomain> <20150328201116.GC5901@kern.lan> <20150329183616.1545b30e@hal9000.localdomain> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gKMricLos+KVdGMg" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150329183616.1545b30e@hal9000.localdomain> User-Agent: Mutt 1.5.23 (2014-03-12, Gentoo 1.5.23-r6) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:OcuD5qFW7SSmWt7MdFpR42cFYh5PTIoeNsMEXx76lK5sZClxPwh BVHvUfPm2kojydM5WStGCNUt+/aLPgT/T+/4rtot1E7ifj+3YuWcgGt6tcu2FS2J/+8/O9M d1Bdts2dBhdWhReEf2+VHyGETUsWoesI6VD7n2bLHX/v66ZbDOUfpU2HsYP2LmQFl7HDxyO oF/ultHlU6GFg9I+09DHQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Archives-Salt: 31b10043-4403-45a4-a659-444d9760e303 X-Archives-Hash: fe576b13a9cef8ed7ccd93b60cea845e --gKMricLos+KVdGMg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 06:36:16PM +0200, wabenbau@gmail.com wrote: > Frank Steinmetzger wrote: >=20 > > I thought about getting a wide-gamut display, namely a Dell with > > rgb-LEDs, but in the end decided against it because its quality seems >=20 > But if you buy online, you always have the option to send back a > unsatisfactory product. >=20 > > to fluctuate a lot. And while I do some photography, I don=E2=80=99t do= it > > professionally or deal with printing. >=20 > A wide gamut monitor is a great thing even if you don't need it for > softproofing. I shot a lot of colorful photos (e.g. from bugs, blossoms > and live concerts with colored limelights). They look great on an > AdobeRGB monitor but much more "boring" on a standard monitor.=20 If the monitor is the only means of looking at the photos and the photos are the only reason for the monitor, then it=E2=80=99s not enough for me (right= now anyway). And as far as I read, watching movies on a wide gamut will not be a very good experience, as those are tuned to look good on =E2=80=9Cnormal=E2= =80=9D displays, resulting in much oversaturated colours. > I also thought about buying an Eizo. But they are very pricy. An > Eizo without wide gamut, without factory calibration and without 16bit > LUT hardware calibration costs more as my Samsung with all these > features. Maybe the Eizo is more reliable over the years, but who knows. I used to buy Samsung, but I don't like how they treat their customers in recent times, so they are on my no-buy list (same as Sony). And I do have a knack for buying more pricey stuff if it=E2=80=99s worth the quality. It gi= ves me a feeling of =E2=80=9Cmine=E2=80=99s better than yours=E2=80=9D. :o) Sure, I = don=E2=80=99t quite like the lack of connections and features on the Eizo (such as picture-in-picture or HDMI), but I do like their appearance (no gloss, no touch buttons, no wobbly stand). > Try out an Spider4. You can buy it as a new device for about 75=E2=82=AC.= Test > the results on your monitors and when you are not satisfied, just send > it back. No risk at all. I=E2=80=99m also not a big fan of that (buying and sending back). Especiall= y if you buy it for a purpose and only then find out it=E2=80=99s not adequate or do= wnright broken. While it=E2=80=99s convenient, it produces a climate of =E2=80=9Cit= =E2=80=99s normal that what you buy may be crap and you=E2=80=99ll have to try again=E2=80=9D. It = gives manufacturers the freedom to cut even more corners without anyone complaints from the consumers. And it=E2=80=99s ecological absurdity on all= ends, considering how toxic electronic manufacturing is. This is also why I put a lot of time and energy into research before I purchase something pricey. For instance, I read in hardware forums and through reviews for many weeks before I finally decided on all components of my PC that I assembled last year. I didn=E2=80=99t want to get into a si= tuation that would force me to return something, b/c there is also risk involved - the extra expense, parts break during shipping, or problems with the retailer. I can=E2=80=99t be bothered with the hassle. OK I noticed this has become more of a political manifesto. So I=E2=80=99m = gonna stop here. :) --=20 Gru=C3=9F | Greetings | Qapla=E2=80=99 Please do not share anything from, with or about me on any social network. Experience is a handy thing. 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