[gentoo-user] Mutt emerge USE flags for novice

[gentoo-user] Mutt emerge USE flags for novice

[German]

I am about to emerge Mutt and wanted to ask community what are the optimal USE flags for novice. I am going to use it with gmail. I am about to emerge it with the following USE flags: berkdb, crypt, gdbm, nls, ssl, gpg, imap, mbox, pop, sasl, sidebar, smtp. If anyone feel I should add or remove something from USE, feel free to tell me. Thanks!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mutt emerge USE flags for novice

[Philip Webb]

150321 German wrote:
> I am about to emerge Mutt : what are the optimal USE flags for a novice ?
> I am going to use it with gmail.

I've been a happy use of Mutt since c 1998 ; I don't use Gmail.

> I am about to emerge it with the following USE flags :
> berkdb, crypt, gdbm, nls, ssl, gpg, imap, mbox, pop, sasl, sidebar, smtp.

In my system :

  root:518 ~> eix ^mutt$
  [I] mail-client/mutt
  Available versions:  1.5.22-r3 1.5.23-r5 ~1.5.23-r6 {berkdb crypt debug doc gdbm gnutls gpg idn imap kerberos mbox nls nntp pop qdbm sasl selinux sidebar slang smime smtp ssl tokyocabinet}
  Installed versions:  1.5.23-r5([2015-02-28 12:43:41])(crypt gdbm gnutls pop slang smtp ssl -berkdb -debug -doc -gpg -idn -imap -kerberos -mbox -nls -nntp -qdbm -sasl -selinux -sidebar -smime -tokyocabinet)

HTH

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mutt emerge USE flags for novice

[German]

On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:44:22 -0400
Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:

> 150321 German wrote:
> > I am about to emerge Mutt : what are the optimal USE flags for a novice ?
> > I am going to use it with gmail.
> 
> I've been a happy use of Mutt since c 1998 ; I don't use Gmail.
> 
> > I am about to emerge it with the following USE flags :
> > berkdb, crypt, gdbm, nls, ssl, gpg, imap, mbox, pop, sasl, sidebar, smtp.
> 
> In my system :
> 
>   root:518 ~> eix ^mutt$
>   [I] mail-client/mutt
>   Available versions:  1.5.22-r3 1.5.23-r5 ~1.5.23-r6 {berkdb crypt debug doc gdbm gnutls gpg idn imap kerberos mbox nls nntp pop qdbm sasl selinux sidebar slang smime smtp ssl tokyocabinet}
>   Installed versions:  1.5.23-r5([2015-02-28 12:43:41])(crypt gdbm gnutls pop slang smtp ssl -berkdb -debug -doc -gpg -idn -imap -kerberos -mbox -nls -nntp -qdbm -sasl -selinux -sidebar -smime -tokyocabinet)
> 
> HTH

Thank you, but are there anyone around who uses Mutt with gmail?
> 
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> ELECTRIC   /] [] [] [] [] []|   Cities Centre, University of Toronto
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> 


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Re: [gentoo-user] Mutt emerge USE flags for novice

[Jean-Christophe Bach]

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> > In my system :
> > 
> >   root:518 ~> eix ^mutt$
> >   [I] mail-client/mutt
> >   Available versions:  1.5.22-r3 1.5.23-r5 ~1.5.23-r6 {berkdb crypt debug doc gdbm gnutls gpg idn imap kerberos mbox nls nntp pop qdbm sasl selinux sidebar slang smime smtp ssl tokyocabinet}
> >   Installed versions:  1.5.23-r5([2015-02-28 12:43:41])(crypt gdbm gnutls pop slang smtp ssl -berkdb -debug -doc -gpg -idn -imap -kerberos -mbox -nls -nntp -qdbm -sasl -selinux -sidebar -smime -tokyocabinet)
> > 
> > HTH
> 
> Thank you, but are there anyone around who uses Mutt with gmail?

Hi,

In the past, I used it with gmail. I did not change any flag with or
without gmail.

My mutt flags:

berkdb crypt debug doc gdbm gnutls gpg idn imap mbox nls pop sasl
sidebar smime smtp ssl -kerberos -nntp -qdbm -selinux -slang
-tokyocabinet

I use Maildir, therefore I think mbox flag is useless.

JC

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mutt emerge USE flags for novice

[German]

On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 19:33:54 +0100
Jean-Christophe Bach <jc.bach@schplaf.org> wrote:

> 
> > > In my system :
> > > 
> > >   root:518 ~> eix ^mutt$
> > >   [I] mail-client/mutt
> > >   Available versions:  1.5.22-r3 1.5.23-r5 ~1.5.23-r6 {berkdb crypt debug doc gdbm gnutls gpg idn imap kerberos mbox nls nntp pop qdbm sasl selinux sidebar slang smime smtp ssl tokyocabinet}
> > >   Installed versions:  1.5.23-r5([2015-02-28 12:43:41])(crypt gdbm gnutls pop slang smtp ssl -berkdb -debug -doc -gpg -idn -imap -kerberos -mbox -nls -nntp -qdbm -sasl -selinux -sidebar -smime -tokyocabinet)
> > > 
> > > HTH
> > 
> > Thank you, but are there anyone around who uses Mutt with gmail?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In the past, I used it with gmail. I did not change any flag with or
> without gmail.
> 
> My mutt flags:
> 
> berkdb crypt debug doc gdbm gnutls gpg idn imap mbox nls pop sasl
> sidebar smime smtp ssl -kerberos -nntp -qdbm -selinux -slang
> -tokyocabinet
> 
> I use Maildir, therefore I think mbox flag is useless.
> 
> JC
Ok, thanks, will emerge it with those flags

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mutt emerge USE flags for novice

[Walter Dnes]

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 02:09:57PM -0400, German wrote

> Thank you, but are there anyone around who uses Mutt with gmail?

  Depends on how you intend to use it.  I run getmail to pull email off
Gmail (pop.gmail.com) via ssl on port 995.  I.e. I treat Gmail like a
regular ISP popmail account.  I also use mutt to send email (via ssmtp).
I have some ancient archived email in mbox format, so I build it with
"gpg mbox pop smime smtp ssl".

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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-user] Mutt emerge USE flags for novice

[Paul B. Henson]

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 02:09:57PM -0400, German wrote:

> Thank you, but are there anyone around who uses Mutt with gmail?

I use mutt with gmail IMAP and the following flags:

[ebuild   R    ] mail-client/mutt-1.5.23-r5  USE="berkdb crypt gdbm gpg
imap kerberos nls sasl smime smtp ssl -debug -doc -gnutls -idn -mbox
-nntp -pop -qdbm (-selinux) -sidebar -slang -tokyocabinet" 0 kB

I think the most important ones for gmail are imap, smtp, and ssl. I
believe imap and smtp are off by default, at least they were when I first
installed mutt, my package use flags are:

mail-client/mutt        sasl gpg imap smime smtp

I think kerberos is pulled in for me by a global use flag.

gpg and smime are only needed if you want to work with encrypted/signed
email. I don't think I needed sasl but left it there in case someday I
wanted to play with kerberos auth.

Relevant lines from my muttrc are:

set smtp_url="smtp://<username>@gmail.com@smtp.gmail.com:587/"
set folder="imaps://imap.gmail.com/"
set imap_user="<username>@gmail.com"
unset record
set postponed="imaps://imap.gmail.com/[Gmail]/Drafts"
set spoolfile="=INBOX"
set header_cache="$HOME/.mutt/header_cache/gmail"

It works reasonably well. My main complaint is that it fairly regularly
drops my persistant connection and I need to reconnect. That's most
annoying when I just went through 100 emails and deleted many, and it
drops the connection before the delete has been synced :(. Other than
that it works fine.

We recently switched to office365 at work, and it has the same problem
with dropped imap connections. I'm not sure if they just both
occasionally boot annoying imap users who have hung out too long or if
mutt has issues with imap over a possibly flaky remote connection.

Good luck...

Re: [gentoo-user] Mutt emerge USE flags for novice

[Julian Simioni]

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I don't currently use Mutt with Gmail, but one common suggestion is to
use an external program like offlineimap for handling syncing. I
remember hearing that Mutt's IMAP support is not the best.

The guide I followed to get set up initially is Steve Losh's The Homely
Mutt, it's really quite good.

http://stevelosh.com/blog/2012/10/the-homely-mutt/

Julian

On 03/21, German wrote:
> I am about to emerge Mutt and wanted to ask community what are the optimal USE flags for novice. I am going to use it with gmail. I am about to emerge it with the following USE flags: berkdb, crypt, gdbm, nls, ssl, gpg, imap, mbox, pop, sasl, sidebar, smtp. If anyone feel I should add or remove something from USE, feel free to tell me. Thanks!
> 
> -- 
> German <gentgerman@gmail.com>
> 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mutt emerge USE flags for novice

[Lee]

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When I have a moment I'll send my Gmail enabled muttrc for u to ponder.
Imap with Gmail on mutt is seamless ime.
On Mar 21, 2015 3:42 PM, "Julian Simioni" <julian@simioni.org> wrote:

> I don't currently use Mutt with Gmail, but one common suggestion is to
> use an external program like offlineimap for handling syncing. I
> remember hearing that Mutt's IMAP support is not the best.
>
> The guide I followed to get set up initially is Steve Losh's The Homely
> Mutt, it's really quite good.
>
> http://stevelosh.com/blog/2012/10/the-homely-mutt/
>
> Julian
>
> On 03/21, German wrote:
> > I am about to emerge Mutt and wanted to ask community what are the
> optimal USE flags for novice. I am going to use it with gmail. I am about
> to emerge it with the following USE flags: berkdb, crypt, gdbm, nls, ssl,
> gpg, imap, mbox, pop, sasl, sidebar, smtp. If anyone feel I should add or
> remove something from USE, feel free to tell me. Thanks!
> >
> > --
> > German <gentgerman@gmail.com>
> >
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mutt emerge USE flags for novice

[German]

On Sat, 21 Mar 2015 17:28:37 -0700
Lee <ny6p01@gmail.com> wrote:

> When I have a moment I'll send my Gmail enabled muttrc for u to ponder.
> Imap with Gmail on mutt is seamless ime.

Thanks, I'll be waiting for your .muttrc

> On Mar 21, 2015 3:42 PM, "Julian Simioni" <julian@simioni.org> wrote:
> 
> > I don't currently use Mutt with Gmail, but one common suggestion is to
> > use an external program like offlineimap for handling syncing. I
> > remember hearing that Mutt's IMAP support is not the best.
> >
> > The guide I followed to get set up initially is Steve Losh's The Homely
> > Mutt, it's really quite good.
> >
> > http://stevelosh.com/blog/2012/10/the-homely-mutt/
> >
> > Julian
> >
> > On 03/21, German wrote:
> > > I am about to emerge Mutt and wanted to ask community what are the
> > optimal USE flags for novice. I am going to use it with gmail. I am about
> > to emerge it with the following USE flags: berkdb, crypt, gdbm, nls, ssl,
> > gpg, imap, mbox, pop, sasl, sidebar, smtp. If anyone feel I should add or
> > remove something from USE, feel free to tell me. Thanks!
> > >
> > > --
> > > German <gentgerman@gmail.com>
> > >
> >


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Re: [gentoo-user] Mutt emerge USE flags for novice

[Julian Simioni]

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Interesting. When I used IMAP in Mutt, rather than offlineimap, I was
really frustrated by the constant lag within Mutt from syncing with the
server. Offlineimap isn't the fastest ever at syncing either, but at
least it happens all in one go, and then the full contents of all the
emails I care about are on my local machine. I'd love to see your config
to see if I can improve things.

Julian

On 03/21, Lee wrote:
>    When I have a moment I'll send my Gmail enabled muttrc for u to ponder.
>    Imap with Gmail on mutt is seamless ime.
> 
>    On Mar 21, 2015 3:42 PM, "Julian Simioni" <julian@simioni.org> wrote:
> 
>      I don't currently use Mutt with Gmail, but one common suggestion is to
>      use an external program like offlineimap for handling syncing. I
>      remember hearing that Mutt's IMAP support is not the best.
> 
>      The guide I followed to get set up initially is Steve Losh's The Homely
>      Mutt, it's really quite good.
> 
>      http://stevelosh.com/blog/2012/10/the-homely-mutt/
> 
>      Julian
> 
>      On 03/21, German wrote:
>      > I am about to emerge Mutt and wanted to ask community what are the
>      optimal USE flags for novice. I am going to use it with gmail. I am
>      about to emerge it with the following USE flags: berkdb, crypt, gdbm,
>      nls, ssl, gpg, imap, mbox, pop, sasl, sidebar, smtp. If anyone feel I
>      should add or remove something from USE, feel free to tell me. Thanks!
>      >
>      > --
>      > German <gentgerman@gmail.com>
>      >

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mutt emerge USE flags for novice

[Mick]

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On Sunday 22 Mar 2015 09:37:19 Julian Simioni wrote:
> Interesting. When I used IMAP in Mutt, rather than offlineimap, I was
> really frustrated by the constant lag within Mutt from syncing with the
> server.

I experienced the same problem, but this was more pronounced on IMAP accounts 
with many thousands of email messages (more than 100,000).  That said, Kmail2 
has the same problem, only on less powerful machines you also get the lag of 
mysql indexing everything again and again and again.  Accounts with fewer 
messages were quite responsive on both mutt and Kmail2.  Therefore I think 
that this may be an IMAP4 issue?


> Offlineimap isn't the fastest ever at syncing either, but at
> least it happens all in one go, and then the full contents of all the
> emails I care about are on my local machine. I'd love to see your config
> to see if I can improve things.
> 
> Julian

I never used Offlineimap, but did try tokyocabinet with what felt as a 
marginal only improvement.


PS. Top-posting messes up threaded answers and logical flow of responses ... 
please refrain from using it on this mailing list.

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Mick

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