From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7881389E2 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 16:33:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D53BCE0938; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 16:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f52.google.com (mail-wg0-f52.google.com [74.125.82.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F3C2E092C for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 16:33:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id a1so12234895wgh.11 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 08:33:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=jopiowyvU6QCte1xdHm1UUSjTofa2eU3/HjgtXjairk=; b=s9F0oLVkuuxdynkUfzAEd0tZB8lDggB3cu9aMh/QaBh7H3ZcLMDw2dcM1yBEwtaioF R94pOsP9/BPyM0u1fGivzKuFbbH8BUTSO9ejs4PuPh81bHuqhAN2dsmCDpit/44v9BmQ wH/qe3SYdYpzm5LrzImpI3hkA4/qeJhLryHzcdCNF/rMfjfC1yMCNIZ93iC7+sROU49S m3k3KPELLpVd7+wow1hf3hioHpxHdp/MPIPuBRSYitQO507AtKrXPkCOCaw2Du/q/Wh1 xUUVyVjzM6cotr/jbHvgu0iFsHL9fZR2/yFWNMh+nzHwni+cOjEN8hJ2Nk41X59c4KQv I9yA== X-Received: by 10.181.8.66 with SMTP id di2mr9229426wid.49.1417365226336; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 08:33:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from dell_xps.localnet (230.3.169.217.in-addr.arpa. [217.169.3.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d16sm16451075wib.4.2014.11.30.08.33.45 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 30 Nov 2014 08:33:45 -0800 (PST) From: Mick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian forked, because of systemd brouhaha Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 16:33:23 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.16.5-gentoo; KDE/4.12.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <201411301301.42308.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20141130131302.615d52db@digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20141130131302.615d52db@digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1517950.VcOBxivVsW"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201411301633.33944.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 9325042d-32db-4666-84a6-fbed2c4dc00c X-Archives-Hash: e8abddad2c46926f9738652706093341 --nextPart1517950.VcOBxivVsW Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sunday 30 Nov 2014 13:13:02 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 30 Nov 2014 13:01:33 +0000, Mick wrote: > > Nevertheless, I support moving away from a RHL sponsored > > monolithic binary and hopefully if not today it will happen eventually. >=20 > systemd isn't monolithic so I can only assume you are referring to the > Linux kernel here :) I was actually referring to the systemd takeover. I know currently the=20 incursion is in userspace, but soon enough I would expect them to try it on= =20 the kernel too. ;-) > Red Hat open source everything, so while they can pay for the development > of the code, they can never own it. Yes, their money gives them control > of what is and is not developed by those they are paying, but it gives > them neither exclusive rights to code nor the right to exclude code. Sure, but by applying Microsoft's monopolistic lessons they can have us all= in=20 a stranglehold before you know it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish :-p =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart1517950.VcOBxivVsW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAABCAAGBQJUe0bdAAoJELAdA+zwE4YeUTkIAJwHEsJwVuyDl7xyb2QIkdjr dXprqvaHKh9lNFHpNKvJsKLS0/hR+hSIeLbFAN0kJu7OzKyo0EIsOQhCNEJAm5U9 zQJzQga2DQF47PSydMC/F8E86cTgJ7XjR9dlwC3JFmEoALPqzaXiyTzVHYq55NQd DgQXKFrY4s5H413k3dvc4RHe5pEx+9zK4fVzGKFnt/x82K70zeVxnumjVt74VgcR Uf2PDwhb0lGFVOwaNd1G3RmzzVqnq8ZZIDiUgKRS/lw3TGcWw8C63y0253NHV40+ A1+NIcusuolZRHBBAI9c9TChN+og55Vy8OKKgPhDMtDhn3LzwUwMnzWY+ieiZOQ= =cbY7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1517950.VcOBxivVsW--