From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2051392EF for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 10:30:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D36F1E099B; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 10:30:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D04FE097B for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 10:30:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from marcec ([77.22.138.176]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MKprU-1WzNza3FzM-0003Wf for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:30:22 +0200 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 12:30:07 +0200 From: Marc Joliet To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] sys-power/upower with systemd Message-ID: <20140624123007.5568a414@marcec> In-Reply-To: References: <87vbrrrvim.fsf@nyu.edu> <20140624100124.700559aa@marcec> <1403597309.4987.0@numa-i> <20140624102805.0d11c81e@marcec> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.3 (GTK+ 2.24.23; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/GmsrK5r_OM1ir_wEgjstB9B"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:K7c4QsBKldnWW/NZf4M5Sc41yOmQxI9RpgFqhSdrateJsT3tBI3 XpBljU8xzi8Kzkf/FBMTnNJphzCQ4NYAjMnZ4ospKhqaqGb5AZJuxX+f0ND5GrTF/f0md3t y1eOQAPZkbbxKvj4NYhJMuWJmDVkLsIC58iG7JIafx7q+fyN86lbtKwG1MStGgms74yMWce R3pRmWH3oIjQOB24e4Agg== X-Archives-Salt: a101620a-96e3-41f7-8981-0edb92029c8f X-Archives-Hash: 3e426f986f6bdbba632c8ec2568602d7 --Sig_/GmsrK5r_OM1ir_wEgjstB9B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Tue, 24 Jun 2014 06:09:12 -0400 schrieb Rich Freeman : > On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Marc Joliet wrote: > > Well, in general, a user of software is to me somebody who actually use= s it, > > and doesn't merely have it installed, doing nothing. So since you don'= t use it, > > you... don't use it ;) . >=20 > It actually isn't a dumb question. I didn't think so, and I gave the definition *I* use. Sorry if I implied otherwise! (My last sentence was in reference to Helmut writing "[...] I still don't u= se systemd as my init system.[...]", which I thought was a bit of a silly formulation, given his question :) .) > Up until now there shouldn't be > issues with having both installed, and selecting between them at boot > time. Apparently now we're starting to get diverging dependencies, so > your system won't work quite right if you boot the "wrong" init at > boot. Which is where my second paragraph came in, pointing out that - and I'm repeating myself here - that, to my understanding, it's not so much that up= ower needs systemd, it's that it expects systemd to take over functionality that upower used to provide via pm-utils (hibernation, etc.). So it's a *runtim= e* problem: if you boot with systemd, you should use plain upower, if not, it depends on whether you need the functionality provided by pm-utils (which o= nly the user of a system can know). Again, this is what I gathered from the previous looong upower discussion. = You *can* use the newer upower without systemd, but you'll be missing functiona= lity it used to provide via pm-utils (which is pretty much what Tom Wijsman said= in one message). HTH --=20 Marc Joliet -- "People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup --Sig_/GmsrK5r_OM1ir_wEgjstB9B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTqVM9AAoJEL/Q5oYsiHj0FPMP/3tgY/M4JzlZh0oLW/nCZGiZ OnT3H+6dPRRXv7iJG2FRABXozLPnvaRTE7rVZVtom5WkWwuEqaKWqJl6M4eu8tKV z8m9tR2svJFVhjPCd0LIT+H1OThs+Y/sIvRiIOjujaWlxnGY/wBN+rxJ8vb0WZsh J2adNjv6aafpbsnhchPkrkxGBrJLfe3y0ITo24u1D60Xfb1Wcm5fKipUO7zZ2o5B /14CYjwtt+GesAv7PeNwi8ZTxeyL64xfKAJ084eITEfwn3y9K5wPsAH8m0rHkZDk WrJNN2Dc07nuvjmVkVfml+OFPDG55uLKGh4BjATSP2TbRLJZhUr5BRijfgGCAvVd 4O9oIM7eEbiyCc1+WnEQAMlpzaERmK4gznBWipECv6CeXqGdyIXfIroHt1sz1Pab ZOgwlG3Kx/7TvYk/BO/0ulfZ0Aa5Hsi/dFSF324lofNPoIAmUKbmtryDvOzkbvYv 5ngYk99SwHAKitxk8nJrjxmbtOJ0YAWqVGwaefZrs+LOxh1gHn7VPOY3TwqLBb0m RsUZOiu4Q9oC2XB6ghELvio3XuGWFfM5iyJ3L1N/g+4i1SQte0HNBPFl4C7G4TqT Ay1BfIzBr3i4F731DuY3d8CIonYlz7Lx0F/u2Jas7f9WxG/OZhZIyxbxGe8F1sqO me/ZF0k4J4TwAjv8DdOL =Jat0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/GmsrK5r_OM1ir_wEgjstB9B--