From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357F513877A for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 08:28:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 395F7E09C7; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 08:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F25C9E08C6 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 08:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from marcec ([77.22.138.176]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx103) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M1WHV-1WfUsn0iCn-00tVIu for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 10:28:12 +0200 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 10:28:05 +0200 From: Marc Joliet To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] sys-power/upower with systemd Message-ID: <20140624102805.0d11c81e@marcec> In-Reply-To: <1403597309.4987.0@numa-i> References: <87vbrrrvim.fsf@nyu.edu> <20140624100124.700559aa@marcec> <1403597309.4987.0@numa-i> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.3 (GTK+ 2.24.23; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/J8gd.FpXU5FWKrHvblO61cg"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:J0M4NDCTte7CWQN+nJUl9nAuLaOvqt3DgpxhCuwgIMWM6tclYJE nrhHp/0OIrxa6bMER374ZN6a0bXHO/wtuDF57YF/xHiV0bJP52SIl7srPxRzjC5aGBGA+aX 0WrWxZWCi1x29Nzw6zQRyOTDY2Wuuag55TiFiJCjeE8rcKXckJWLD1SmmFwTYAGwYRf/Dca 8d4Lno9X/v7fizBoK5zdg== X-Archives-Salt: 62cef2e8-802d-484e-bffe-c0044df0b560 X-Archives-Hash: 5277827204d434fa5441eaab46816882 --Sig_/J8gd.FpXU5FWKrHvblO61cg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Tue, 24 Jun 2014 10:08:29 +0200 schrieb Helmut Jarausch : > On 06/24/2014 10:01:24 AM, Marc Joliet wrote: > > Am Mon, 23 Jun 2014 20:39:13 -0400 > > schrieb gottlieb@nyu.edu: > >=20 > > > I think I had first misinterpreted the news msg, but want to be =20 > > sure I > > > do understand it correctly now. > > > > > > The message ends with > > > > > > All non-systemd users are recommended to choose between: > > > # emerge --oneshot --noreplace 'sys-power/upower-pm-utils' > > > or > > > # emerge --oneshot --noreplace '>=3Dsys-power/upower-0.99.0' > > > However, all systemd users are recommended to stay with =20 > > sys-power/upower. > > > > > > I first read "stay with sys-power/upower" to mean systemd users =20 > > should > > > NOT do any of the two options for non-systemd users and let portage = =20 > > "do > > > its thing". However, portage want to replace upower with > > > upower-pm-utils, which I am pretty sure is not intended for systemd > > > users. > > > > > > Is the proper reading of the news message, that the systemd users =20 > > should > > > use the second option available for non-systemd users? =20 > > Specifically am > > > I to execute > > > > > > # emerge --oneshot --noreplace '>=3Dsys-power/upower-0.99.0' > > > > > > ? > >=20 > > Um, personally, I think the message is extremely clear: non-systemd =20 > > users > > should choose between the first two options, and systemd users should = =20 > > just > > stick with plain upower, regardless of version (although there is =20 > > only one > > ATM, the older one is masked now). > >=20 >=20 > Hi, please tell me - what is a systemd user? >=20 > I have systemd AND openrc installed here and I still don't use systemd =20 > as my > init system. Am I a systemd user? > I ask because I cannot installed some packages, some require =20 > upower-0.99.0 > others fail with it. >=20 > Thanks, > Helmut Well, in general, a user of software is to me somebody who actually uses it, and doesn't merely have it installed, doing nothing. So since you don't us= e it, you... don't use it ;) . In this particular case, my understanding from the previous discussion is t= hat UPower expects certain functionality from systemd at runtime (IIRC it doesn= 't actually *need* systemd, it just assumes that it takes over the same functionality as pm-utils). So, specifically, a systemd user is to me (and probably to most people) somebody who *boots* with systemd. HTH --=20 Marc Joliet -- "People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup --Sig_/J8gd.FpXU5FWKrHvblO61cg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTqTaaAAoJEL/Q5oYsiHj0clgP/0mZH7GLk5KiavX1uZInhufu MgOZpwDtAJVhbdy6bXTf7BOmxPX39TMC6gCwderkeYnKW0T6w2JhC4RGTLCOs3Fp cFHcEYtH8oCo15R2ACcJqEJD8A6/nT0Yha3a1FwY9p5jWzORSSSwP+WYbDKumlkB FnqBa/Unym4klaByuYdrmf3QeL6vbYYSiQGH76EIxnFHEuibXjbr9s0cCOE+aab+ hKlq8cznodW04NmFRkZyUQMM6u8OhlGwcFP/mZQffNuQiooi6FxJ1D08GPIMwk3+ BtZwnDoe57wniJo8+wauBa6vDR4jlRH63d8c3BfUv/pQ0S7Qm5yni+Kf4TzKiWUV 3a+wwc04qqOLpxbNZ3VR2BcGBvxfZma7TYzLO6f+jqmKPueRiPUR2rWl+on1Prmi UUwcEWrrzr3Onsi6oCcAnpLTVnmJGfNwu2szKPcU6coxa/TThvACfd/t1QR3ke3J aa/HWJxwmIxc0XGkkTLWx7XJsGNlfhR5uQL2MoGswQMjFhZ827pxRUwY1WXu/JkC 7qq0qZRPZP851Q7x5SDylSzyFdrf+01Rn2So9+35YmPHOR/1hzNLMCTknCcXUeyy 9oEcyTP+qnqhaeM6/yewAuMudwXQezwL77ElMxTlcI7HC4ayrzleu79g7igTQdSk QfzCd1RpXNRliVvBEdBI =RE5/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/J8gd.FpXU5FWKrHvblO61cg--