From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546071391DB for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 20:09:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F760E0AD2; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 20:09:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5141FE09D2 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 20:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6905633F7FF for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 20:09:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.383 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.383 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.153, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.535, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4LuzB7vi1MNs for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 20:09:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9136133EE5B for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 20:09:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WSXei-0002TK-5w for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 21:09:04 +0100 Received: from 108-248-189-54.lightspeed.clmasc.sbcglobal.net ([108.248.189.54]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 21:09:04 +0100 Received: from boxcars by 108-248-189-54.lightspeed.clmasc.sbcglobal.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 21:09:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: =?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?= Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:08:50 -0500 Organization: none Message-ID: <20140325150850.5fe9c8d5@sepulchrave.remarqs> References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <5302c048.462f0e0a.3d3e.5888@mx.google.com> <20140218210633.d25f4bb88b3891f7c0ed11c6@gmail.com> <20140218220712.9ec8d2529ef49d743b3bc826@gmail.com> <5304576E.4000704@sporkbox.us> <5304A5DE.4050905@libertytrek.org> <5305FACC.8080705@libertytrek.org> <20140221095351.4eaad30312847d36674777 01@gmail.com> <20140320210027.415320eb@gentoo.org> <20140321022711.16e7ec0c8f115a6927107669@gmail.com> <20140320221532.4741e138@gentoo.org> <20140320164848.0c3448d3@sepulchrave.remarqs> <532C1660.2000809@libertytrek.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 108-248-189-54.lightspeed.clmasc.sbcglobal.net X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.22; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-Archives-Salt: 913e6134-b288-42a8-9906-ce406e55c2c2 X-Archives-Hash: a8807848b1e1a282e31fc6bd32d6a267 On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 06:37:20 -0400 Tanstaafl wrote: > On 3/20/2014 5:48 PM, »Q« wrote: > > Why should Gentoo have a default? > > Defaults are always a good idea - as long as they are reasonable and > rational. In that case, Gentoo is missing a lot of "good" things, from a default system logger to a default desktop environment. AFAICS, the benefit of defaults, provided they're reasonable, is that they remove the burden of making choices from the user. But I keep reading that Gentoo is all about user choice. > > ISTM the only good reason is that not having a default would make > > the documentation a lot more complicated. > > Documentation, *and* the install process itself. I'm not seeing that at all.