From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B801391DB for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B246E0C0D; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from michel.telenet-ops.be (michel.telenet-ops.be [195.130.137.88]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EED9E0BE3 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 15:35:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([94.226.55.127]) by michel.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id gfbD1n00V2khLEN06fbDqG; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 16:35:13 +0100 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 16:34:59 +0100 From: Tom Wijsman To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] *** STOP misuing this list for personal attacks *** Message-ID: <20140322163459.15f99609@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <532DA2CE.4050407@libertytrek.org> References: <1395475003.590.0@numa-i.igpm.rwth-aachen.de> <532D52A3.2090308@gmail.com> <532DA2CE.4050407@libertytrek.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.22; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 071f0fd6-c833-414c-80f8-867be66c6a71 X-Archives-Hash: dfc1888258a91ed1558a481357d46b70 On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 10:48:46 -0400 Tanstaafl wrote: > On 3/22/2014 5:06 AM, Dale wrote: > > Helmut Jarausch wrote: > >> Please don't use this list for personal quarrels of any kind! > >> > >> If someone says something you don't like - just ignore it/him. > >> > >> If someone insults you, reply by personal mail only. > >> > >> If someone says something which is*technically* wrong, > >> just correct the facts without getting personal. > > > I don't read every message but who is personally attacking someone? > > He's probably referring to my factual statement that Tom was/is > acting like an arrogant prick. This is technically wrong, we're all acting as arrogant pricks; but by picking out a certain individual, this could be perceived as a personal attack to that certain individual. However, that should not withhold that this is just part of a factual statement. This correction of mine also doesn't hold because if this could be perceived as a personal attack against us all; then, to an extent, perhaps we're all not acting as arrogant pricks. We are just mis-perceiving things; and as a result of that, misunderstanding. But maybe, under the 'profit motive', we could all be being arrogant? http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/272557/focus=272818 Sometimes, such 'profit motive's conflict, one man's profit is another man's cost; this reminds me of how the real world works, if one musician gets more fortune and fame, that goes at the cost of another. However, is that musician therefore arrogant for earning lots of money? Not necessarily; as you can see, a lot of these musicians spend excess money on good causes (education centers, countries that had a natural disaster, people with a costly to cure disease, the homeless, ...). Now, you could ask, why doesn't that maybe arrogant musician send everyone some money; well, it could cause maybe arrogant people to benefit from the money without working for it. Well, both can be perceived as being arrogant, or not being arrogant at all... People's time and money is limited; so, it is better well spent. This reminds me of John Covico's e-mail footer; it goes like this: "Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it?" > Lots of people confuse factual statements with personal attacks. As demonstrated above, the confusion is easily made. > That said, I've never been know for being tactful... ;) But what have you been known for? :) -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D