From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789AE1391DB for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 23:40:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 72FFAE0B2C; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 23:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from michel.telenet-ops.be (michel.telenet-ops.be [195.130.137.88]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4869DE0B1B for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 23:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([94.226.55.127]) by michel.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id gPgF1n0052khLEN06PgFAj; Sat, 22 Mar 2014 00:40:15 +0100 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 00:40:03 +0100 From: Tom Wijsman To: waltdnes@waltdnes.org Cc: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie Message-ID: <20140322004003.49c0be9b@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20140321215707.GA16478@waltdnes.org> References: <53075C77.5040505@libertytrek.org> <530767B0.6000607@libertytrek.org> <20140320211402.48a597f9@gentoo.org> <532B5CBE.8010105@libertytrek.org> <20140321121328.23425250@gentoo.org> <20140321122709.4219538d@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <20140321134902.6eaba663@gentoo.org> <20140321142948.59ce3f62@gentoo.org> <20140321215707.GA16478@waltdnes.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.22; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 95753e1b-671e-46bf-990d-e4175c37f824 X-Archives-Hash: 9388ee568d3da8b22fc6e6e7ca994ae5 On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 17:57:07 -0400 "Walter Dnes" wrote: > How does one send email to *THIS* list, without being subscribed in > the first place? You can do that on sites like GMANE; similarly, given a message ID, you can request that specific from the mailing list daemon to land in your inbox, which allows you even do a signed reply to it. As you can see; there are people that want to participate only when they are interested in it, rather than flood their mailing program. Let's say you have a bug when you unmount a filesystem; so, you go look on the LKML if there's something known about it. You'll find: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1671264 The thing is; you're not subscribed as you found it, yet you want to reply to it without subscribing to its flood, what do? You send off a single reply; then you expect someone that responds to CC you if that person wants to tell / ask you something, otherwise you wouldn't know. > But I'm not aware of any such mechanism on this list. If someone is > involved in a thread here, then they've obviously subscribed here. > So the CC: is redundant. Invisible things are hard to be aware of; you assume that the person is CC-ed, however, the person may have found the thread through GMANE _or_ the person might have been unsubscribed by the moment you make a reply. We see similar things happen on IRC; someone asks a question, 2 or 3 minutes later they are gone. Sometimes they ask a question, but receive no answer so they are gone 20 or 30 minutes later. Similarly; we're now a month later in this ML thread, who says people are still subscribed? On IRC, if you pay notice to the many join/part/quits and don't filter them, you can still spot that with awareness; however, on ML you can't. -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D