From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDC91391DB for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 18:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D526E0D9F; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 18:32:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from andre.telenet-ops.be (andre.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ACD6E0D24 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 18:32:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([94.226.55.127]) by andre.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id gJYo1n00p2khLEN01JYoAp; Fri, 21 Mar 2014 19:32:48 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 19:32:36 +0100 From: Tom Wijsman To: rdalek1967@gmail.com Cc: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie Message-ID: <20140321193236.2fb9e232@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <532C79AF.1040208@gmail.com> References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <20140218210633.d25f4bb88b3891f7c0ed11c6@gmail.com> <20140218220712.9ec8d2529ef49d743b3bc826@gmail.com> <5304576E.4000704@sporkbox.us> <5304A5DE.4050905@libertytrek.org> <5305FACC.8080705@libertytrek.org> <53075C77.5040505@libertytrek.org> <530767B0.6000607@libertytrek.org> <20140320211402.48a597f9@gentoo.org> <532B5CBE.8010105@libertytrek.org> <20140321121328.23425250@gentoo.org> <532C2C49.8070100@gmail.com> <20140321134507.46ae3315@gentoo.org> <532C79AF.1040208@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.22; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 5eee9917-ff32-400b-9499-b8bbdbab9f0c X-Archives-Hash: c27208e77d6e45362cf584476d34e768 On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 12:41:03 -0500 Dale wrote: > FYI. Most people don't say anything, they just blacklist you. After > that, you don't exist to them. Yes, that's up to those few; it could happen, but most respond instead. > To my knowledge, the only emails I have not got when someone sent to > this mailing list is when the mailing list server had problems and > that was a long long time ago. You send a email to the list and the > list gets the email. There is NO need to CC everyone so that they > get dups. Period. There is a need, see the previous mails about it; the need stays as is. > We don't need a CC guarantee. I do, as I spend time on this; that time should have guaranteed results. > This is a COMMUNITY effort here and you seem to not want to be a part > of the community. If it were true, I would stop my contributions and support here and now. > If you don't want to be here by the standards set, say good bye. The etiquette is the standard that I follow, it encourages this; it is stepping away from that etiquette and thus results in "good bye": http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/273297 Consider that each time you tell some user to not CC or so on the ML, you're actually sending an extra mail to a ton of people yourself; whereas the mail telling that ignores the subject of the thread, please consider to do this in an off-list reply with positive words. > I'm trying to help you by telling you this. People will blacklist > you and never say a word about it. I suspect quite a few already > has. It would be wise to change your way of handling this list or > you will lose. And others try to help me by telling the opposite; so, when two groups of people tell you to do something that conflicts, which one would be picked? Well, pick the one that respects our etiquette; and along that, the same one guarantees that my time is spent wise. Similarly, would you spend time to keep asking this everytime it happens by one or another individual or just simply filter it once and for all? -- With kind regards, Tom Wijsman (TomWij) Gentoo Developer E-mail address : TomWij@gentoo.org GPG Public Key : 6D34E57D GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2 ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D