[gentoo-user] banshee installation without systemd

[gentoo-user] banshee installation without systemd

[Fox]

Hello,
after reading the thread about systemd somebody mentioned sys-fs/eudev. 
I decided used because I had systemd only to used udev and unmerge systemd.

Now I can't use Banshee which I use as my music player because of the 
next dependency tree:

banshee
     <- gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon
         <- sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration
             <- sys-apps/systemd

and systemd can't be used because it conflicts with eudev.

Is there anyway to avoid emerge systemd in this case?

Thank you,
Quim

Re: [gentoo-user] banshee installation without systemd

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Fox <halfsocialfox@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> after reading the thread about systemd somebody mentioned sys-fs/eudev. I
> decided used because I had systemd only to used udev and unmerge systemd.
>
> Now I can't use Banshee which I use as my music player because of the next
> dependency tree:
>
> banshee
>     <- gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon
>         <- sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration
>             <- sys-apps/systemd
>
> and systemd can't be used because it conflicts with eudev.

Knowing the exact versions in the dependency chain would be useful.

> Is there anyway to avoid emerge systemd in this case?

gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon 3.8.x and 3.10.x have the (quite
unsupported) openrc-force USE flag. Set it, and it will force gsd to
be used with OpenRC, so you don't need to depend on systemd.

Be aware, this is totally unsupported; from
/usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc:

gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon:openrc-force - Skip systemd
dependency (#480336), enabling this flag will become your setup to be
fully unsupported by upstream and downstream Gnome team. Do not try to
enable it unless completely needed

So, if something breaks, you get to keep both pieces.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] banshee installation without systemd

[Fox]

On 02/23/2014 07:25 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Fox <halfsocialfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> after reading the thread about systemd somebody mentioned sys-fs/eudev. I
>> decided used because I had systemd only to used udev and unmerge systemd.
>>
>> Now I can't use Banshee which I use as my music player because of the next
>> dependency tree:
>>
>> banshee
>>      <- gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon
>>          <- sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration
>>              <- sys-apps/systemd
>>
>> and systemd can't be used because it conflicts with eudev.
> Knowing the exact versions in the dependency chain would be useful.
>
>> Is there anyway to avoid emerge systemd in this case?
> gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon 3.8.x and 3.10.x have the (quite
> unsupported) openrc-force USE flag. Set it, and it will force gsd to
> be used with OpenRC, so you don't need to depend on systemd.
>
> Be aware, this is totally unsupported; from
> /usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc:
>
> gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon:openrc-force - Skip systemd
> dependency (#480336), enabling this flag will become your setup to be
> fully unsupported by upstream and downstream Gnome team. Do not try to
> enable it unless completely needed
>
> So, if something breaks, you get to keep both pieces.
>
> Regards.
Ok, thanks for the advise.

[gentoo-user] Re: banshee installation without systemd

[eroen]

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On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:02:01 +0100, Fox <halfsocialfox@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> after reading the thread about systemd somebody mentioned
> sys-fs/eudev. I decided used because I had systemd only to used udev
> and unmerge systemd.
> 
> Now I can't use Banshee which I use as my music player because of the 
> next dependency tree:
> 
> banshee
>      <- gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon
>          <- sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration
>              <- sys-apps/systemd
> 
> and systemd can't be used because it conflicts with eudev.
> 
> Is there anyway to avoid emerge systemd in this case?
> 
> Thank you,
> Quim
> 
> 

On a system running ~amd64 with eudev/openrc:

eroen@falcon ~ $ emerge -pv media-sound/banshee =gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-2.32.1-r2

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies  .... . . ... done!
[ebuild  N     ] media-sound/banshee-2.6.1  USE="aac bpm cdda encode mtp {test} udev web -daap -doc -ipod -karma -youtube" 3,246 kB
[ebuild  N     ]  dev-dotnet/gtk-sharp-beans-2.14.0  21 kB
[ebuild  N     ]   dev-dotnet/gtk-sharp-gapi-2.12.10:2  USE="-debug" 1,601 kB
[ebuild  NS    ]    sys-devel/automake-1.10.3:1.10 [1.9.6-r3:1.9, 1.11.6:1.11, 1.12.6:1.12, 1.13.4:1.13, 1.14.1:1.14] 936 kB
[ebuild  N     ]    dev-lang/mono-3.2.3  USE="nls -debug -doc -minimal -pax_kernel -xen" 0 kB
[ebuild  N     ]     dev-dotnet/libgdiplus-2.10.9-r1  USE="cairo" 0 kB
[ebuild  N     ]   dev-dotnet/glib-sharp-2.12.10:2  USE="-debug" 0 kB
[ebuild  N     ]   dev-dotnet/gtk-sharp-2.12.10:2  USE="-debug" 0 kB
[ebuild  N     ]    dev-dotnet/atk-sharp-2.12.10:2  USE="-debug" 0 kB
[ebuild  N     ]    dev-dotnet/gdk-sharp-2.12.10:2  USE="-debug" 0 kB
[ebuild  N     ]     dev-dotnet/pango-sharp-2.12.10:2  USE="-debug" 0 kB
[ebuild  N     ]   dev-dotnet/gio-sharp-0.3  88 kB
[ebuild  N     ]  dev-dotnet/gkeyfile-sharp-0.1  20 kB
[ebuild  N     ]  media-plugins/gst-plugins-taglib-0.10.31:0.10  0 kB
[ebuild  N     ]  dev-dotnet/dbus-sharp-0.7.0-r1  125 kB
[ebuild  N     ]  media-plugins/gst-plugins-soundtouch-0.10.23:0.10  0 kB
[ebuild  N     ]   media-libs/libsoundtouch-1.8.0  USE="sse2 -static-libs" 104 kB
[ebuild  N     ]  dev-dotnet/gconf-sharp-2.24.2:2  USE="-debug" 412 kB
[ebuild  N     ]   dev-dotnet/gnome-sharp-2.24.2:2  USE="-debug" 0 kB
[ebuild  N     ]    dev-dotnet/art-sharp-2.24.2:2  USE="-debug" 0 kB
[ebuild  N     ]    dev-dotnet/gnomevfs-sharp-2.24.2:2  USE="-debug" 0 kB
[ebuild  N     ]   dev-dotnet/glade-sharp-2.12.10:2  USE="-debug" 0 kB
[ebuild  N     ]  net-libs/webkit-gtk-2.2.5-r200:2  USE="egl gstreamer jit opengl {test} webgl (-aqua) -coverage -debug -geoloc -gles2 -introspection -libsecret -spell" 9,181 kB
[ebuild  N     ]  media-plugins/gst-plugins-lame-0.10.19:0.10  0 kB
[ebuild  N     ]  dev-dotnet/dbus-sharp-glib-0.5.0  94 kB
[ebuild  N     ]  gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-2.32.1-r2  USE="libnotify -debug -policykit -pulseaudio -smartcard" 1,327 kB
[ebuild  N     ]   gnome-base/libgnomekbd-2.32.0-r1  USE="{test}" 402 kB
[ebuild  N     ]   gnome-base/gnome-desktop-2.32.1-r2:2  USE="-debug -license-docs" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 -python2_6" 1,596 kB
[ebuild  N     ]  dev-dotnet/notify-sharp-0.4.0_pre20090305  USE="-doc" 78 kB
[ebuild  N     ]  dev-dotnet/taglib-sharp-2.1.0.0  503 kB
[ebuild  N     ]  media-plugins/gst-plugins-gio-0.10.36:0.10  0 kB
[ebuild  N     ]  dev-dotnet/mono-addins-0.6.2  USE="gtk" 330 kB
[ebuild  N     ]  dev-dotnet/gudev-sharp-0.1  101 kB

Total: 33 packages (32 new, 1 in new slot), Size of downloads: 20,155 kB

For ease of upgrades, you might want to add
    >=gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3
in /etc/portage/package.mask rather than specifying it with a specific
version on the command line.

-- 
eroen

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: banshee installation without systemd

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:31 PM, eroen <eroen@falcon.eroen.eu> wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:02:01 +0100, Fox <halfsocialfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> after reading the thread about systemd somebody mentioned
>> sys-fs/eudev. I decided used because I had systemd only to used udev
>> and unmerge systemd.
>>
>> Now I can't use Banshee which I use as my music player because of the
>> next dependency tree:
>>
>> banshee
>>      <- gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon
>>          <- sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration
>>              <- sys-apps/systemd
>>
>> and systemd can't be used because it conflicts with eudev.
>>
>> Is there anyway to avoid emerge systemd in this case?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Quim
>>
>
> On a system running ~amd64 with eudev/openrc:
>
> eroen@falcon ~ $ emerge -pv media-sound/banshee =gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-2.32.1-r2
>
[ snip emerge output ]
>
> For ease of upgrades, you might want to add
>     >=gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3
> in /etc/portage/package.mask rather than specifying it with a specific
> version on the command line.

That solution is a dead end. GNOME 2 is being removed from the tree[1].

Regards.

[1] http://blogs.gentoo.org/eva/2014/02/16/the-future-of-gnome-2/
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

[gentoo-user] Re: banshee installation without systemd

[eroen]

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On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 19:47:55 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés
<caneko@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:31 PM, eroen <eroen@falcon.eroen.eu> wrote:
> > On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:02:01 +0100, Fox <halfsocialfox@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >> after reading the thread about systemd somebody mentioned
> >> sys-fs/eudev. I decided used because I had systemd only to used
> >> udev and unmerge systemd.
> >>
> >> Now I can't use Banshee which I use as my music player because of
> >> the next dependency tree:
> >>
> >> banshee
> >>      <- gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon
> >>          <- sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration
> >>              <- sys-apps/systemd
> >>
> >> and systemd can't be used because it conflicts with eudev.
> >>
> >> Is there anyway to avoid emerge systemd in this case?
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >> Quim
> >>
> >
> > On a system running ~amd64 with eudev/openrc:
> >
> > eroen@falcon ~ $ emerge -pv media-sound/banshee
> > =gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-2.32.1-r2
> >
> [ snip emerge output ]
> >
> > For ease of upgrades, you might want to add
> >     >=gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3
> > in /etc/portage/package.mask rather than specifying it with a
> > specific version on the command line.
> 
> That solution is a dead end. GNOME 2 is being removed from the
> tree[1].
> 
> Regards.
> 
> [1] http://blogs.gentoo.org/eva/2014/02/16/the-future-of-gnome-2/

You probably mean "temporary". The expression "dead end" would imply it
makes future migration more difficult in some way.

One would hope (mostly for their image's sake) the gnome team does
not remove gnome-settings-daemon-2 until at least one of
cinnamon-settings-daemon and mate-settings-daemon are included in
gentoo proper.

-- 
eroen

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: banshee installation without systemd

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 8:11 PM, eroen <eroen@falcon.eroen.eu> wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 19:47:55 -0600, Canek Peláez Valdés
> <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:31 PM, eroen <eroen@falcon.eroen.eu> wrote:
>> > On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:02:01 +0100, Fox <halfsocialfox@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Hello,
>> >> after reading the thread about systemd somebody mentioned
>> >> sys-fs/eudev. I decided used because I had systemd only to used
>> >> udev and unmerge systemd.
>> >>
>> >> Now I can't use Banshee which I use as my music player because of
>> >> the next dependency tree:
>> >>
>> >> banshee
>> >>      <- gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon
>> >>          <- sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration
>> >>              <- sys-apps/systemd
>> >>
>> >> and systemd can't be used because it conflicts with eudev.
>> >>
>> >> Is there anyway to avoid emerge systemd in this case?
>> >>
>> >> Thank you,
>> >> Quim
>> >>
>> >
>> > On a system running ~amd64 with eudev/openrc:
>> >
>> > eroen@falcon ~ $ emerge -pv media-sound/banshee
>> > =gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-2.32.1-r2
>> >
>> [ snip emerge output ]
>> >
>> > For ease of upgrades, you might want to add
>> >     >=gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3
>> > in /etc/portage/package.mask rather than specifying it with a
>> > specific version on the command line.
>>
>> That solution is a dead end. GNOME 2 is being removed from the
>> tree[1].
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> [1] http://blogs.gentoo.org/eva/2014/02/16/the-future-of-gnome-2/
>
> You probably mean "temporary". The expression "dead end" would imply it
> makes future migration more difficult in some way.

Call it temporary if you want to. The point is that
gnome-settings-daemon 2.x has been unmaintained for years now.

> One would hope (mostly for their image's sake) the gnome team does
> not remove gnome-settings-daemon-2 until at least one of
> cinnamon-settings-daemon and mate-settings-daemon are included in
> gentoo proper.

Nobody cares about any team "image", I suppose. They are all
volunteers. If you want cinnamon-sd or mate-sd to get into the tree,
help out. Don't assume someone is going to do it for you.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: banshee installation without systemd

[Tom Wijsman]

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On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 03:11:25 +0100
eroen <eroen@falcon.eroen.eu> wrote:

> One would hope (mostly for their image's sake) the gnome team does
> not remove gnome-settings-daemon-2 until at least one of
> cinnamon-settings-daemon and mate-settings-daemon are included in
> gentoo proper.

+  05 Mar 2014; Tom Wijsman <TomWij@gentoo.org>
+  +files/mate-settings-daemon-1.2.0-syndaemon-mode.patch,
+  +files/mate-settings-daemon-1.4.0-netfs-monitor.patch,
+  +mate-settings-daemon-1.6.2.ebuild, +metadata.xml:
+  New ebuild for mate-base/mate-settings-daemon, MATE Settings Daemon;
+  imported from the mate-overlay, reviewed and adjusted.

Hoping to see it unmasked in the next week, just a few more to add...

-- 
With kind regards,

Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
Gentoo Developer

E-mail address  : TomWij@gentoo.org
GPG Public Key  : 6D34E57D
GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2  ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: banshee installation without systemd

[William Kenworthy]

On 24/02/14 09:31, eroen wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:02:01 +0100, Fox <halfsocialfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> after reading the thread about systemd somebody mentioned
>> sys-fs/eudev. I decided used because I had systemd only to used udev
>> and unmerge systemd.
>>
>> Now I can't use Banshee which I use as my music player because of the 
>> next dependency tree:
>>
>> banshee
>>      <- gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon
>>          <- sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration
>>              <- sys-apps/systemd
>>
>> and systemd can't be used because it conflicts with eudev.
>>
>> Is there anyway to avoid emerge systemd in this case?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Quim
>>
>>
> 
> On a system running ~amd64 with eudev/openrc:
> 

moriah ~ # emerge gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon -vp

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild  N     ] gnome-base/gnome-desktop-3.8.4:3/7  USE="introspection
-debug" 1,019 kB
[ebuild  N     ] x11-themes/gnome-themes-standard-3.8.4  USE="gtk" 3,765 kB
[ebuild  N     ] sys-apps/systemd-208-r2:0/1  USE="filecaps
firmware-loader gcrypt kmod lzma pam policykit python tcpd xattr -acl
-audit -cryptsetup -doc -gudev -http -introspection -qrcode (-selinux)
{-test} -vanilla" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7"
PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7" 2,335 kB
[ebuild  N     ] sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration-2  0 kB
[ebuild  N     ] gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.6.1  USE="colord
cups i18n policykit short-touchpad-timeout udev -debug (-openrc-force)
(-packagekit) {-test}" INPUT_DEVICES="-wacom" 1,543 kB
[blocks B      ] sys-apps/systemd ("sys-apps/systemd" is blocking
sys-fs/eudev-1.4-r1)


I have a system like the above ... eudev/openrc with openrc-force in the
USE flags and the 13.0 profile (not desktop/gnome etc)

As you can see above, something is forcing (-openrc-force) - any ideas
on how to get it to honour the openrc-force flag or find out what is
causing the problem?

BillK

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: banshee installation without systemd

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:52:13 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:

> As you can see above, something is forcing (-openrc-force) - any ideas
> on how to get it to honour the openrc-force flag or find out what is
> causing the problem?

The flag is masked because it is an unsupported option. Unmask it by
adding this to /etc/portage/profile/package.use.mask

gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon -openrc-force


-- 
Neil Bothwick

"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
of careful development."

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: banshee installation without systemd

[William Kenworthy]

On 24/02/14 18:39, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:52:13 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:
> 
>> As you can see above, something is forcing (-openrc-force) - any ideas
>> on how to get it to honour the openrc-force flag or find out what is
>> causing the problem?
> 
> The flag is masked because it is an unsupported option. Unmask it by
> adding this to /etc/portage/profile/package.use.mask
> 
> gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon -openrc-force
> 
> 

Ta, thats the hint I needed.

Thanks,
BillK

[gentoo-user] Re: banshee installation without systemd

[eroen]

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On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 17:52:13 +0800, William Kenworthy
<billk@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> moriah ~ # emerge gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon -vp
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [ebuild  N     ] gnome-base/gnome-desktop-3.8.4:3/7
> USE="introspection -debug" 1,019 kB
> [ebuild  N     ] x11-themes/gnome-themes-standard-3.8.4  USE="gtk"
> 3,765 kB [ebuild  N     ] sys-apps/systemd-208-r2:0/1  USE="filecaps
> firmware-loader gcrypt kmod lzma pam policykit python tcpd xattr -acl
> -audit -cryptsetup -doc -gudev -http -introspection -qrcode (-selinux)
> {-test} -vanilla" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7"
> PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7" 2,335 kB
> [ebuild  N     ] sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration-2  0 kB
> [ebuild  N     ] gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.8.6.1  USE="colord
> cups i18n policykit short-touchpad-timeout udev -debug (-openrc-force)
> (-packagekit) {-test}" INPUT_DEVICES="-wacom" 1,543 kB
> [blocks B      ] sys-apps/systemd ("sys-apps/systemd" is blocking
> sys-fs/eudev-1.4-r1)
> 
> 
> I have a system like the above ... eudev/openrc with openrc-force in
> the USE flags and the 13.0 profile (not desktop/gnome etc)
> 
> As you can see above, something is forcing (-openrc-force) - any ideas
> on how to get it to honour the openrc-force flag or find out what is
> causing the problem?
> 
> BillK
> 

openrc-force is masked in /usr/portage/profiles/base/use.mask:

    # Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> (28 Sep 2013)
    # This USE flag is available after long dicussion in
    # http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/276077
    # to let some prople not able to run systemd to skip the dep (#480336).
    # Enabling this you will get a fully unsupported Gnome setup that
    # could suffer unexpected problem, don't expect support for it then.
    openrc-force

If you are unfamiliar with gentoo's profiles, most (all the
handbook-documented) profiles inherit the "base" profile which
contains this file, which means this mask is in effect on most systems.
None of the other profiles currently disable this use-mask. emerge's
output indicates to you that this use flag is masked by enclosing it in
parenthesis, check the documentation for the --verbose switch in
emerge(1)[1].

Use-flag masks from the selected profile (and the opposite, force)
override the use-flag settings normally made by users in make.conf and
package.use. User modifications to the profile should be made
in /etc/portage/profile/, see portage(5)[2].

To un-mask the openrc use flag, you can create the
file /etc/portage/profile/use.mask with this line:

    -openrc-force

1: https://dev.gentoo.org/~zmedico/portage/doc/man/emerge.1.html
2: https://dev.gentoo.org/~zmedico/portage/doc/man/portage.5.html

-- 
eroen

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