From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C30B139059 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 20:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E5FBDE0A60; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 20:29:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4628E09FD for ; Wed, 26 Feb 2014 20:29:22 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFFFpYj0/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEATocHAwLCyETEg8FJTeICwbBLY1hgkhhA4hhhR2IDoV+iHCBXoMV X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFFFpYj0/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEATocHAwLCyETEg8FJTeICwbBLY1hgkhhA4hhhR2IDoV+iHCBXoMV X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="48833552" Received: from 69-165-136-244.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO waltdnes.org) ([69.165.136.244]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2014 15:29:20 -0500 Received: by waltdnes.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:29:17 -0500 From: "Walter Dnes" Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:29:17 -0500 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie Message-ID: <20140226202917.GA32175@waltdnes.org> References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <5301B3E1.3000007@yandex.ru> <201402231335.31992.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <530A7700.4030809@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <530A7700.4030809@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: f144545f-10f8-48aa-ac41-4595554973aa X-Archives-Hash: 8161042c1bf20611fb29c517e81056f3 On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:32:32AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote > Is it like perl? Support every possible way to do something if it > remotely makes sense to do it, no matter how bizarre the syntax? The (d)evolution of perl reminds me of what's happened to Firefox, GNOME, and KDE. To paraphrase the emacs joke, perl is a mediocre operating system that lacks a lightweight text-manipulation utility. WTF does every simple program try to become an OS? * The original "Practical Extraction and Reporting Language" PERL has become a pseudo-OS. Believe it or not, it was a lightweight practical text-parsing and report-generating utility back in the day. * Netscape (under AOL) aimed at becoming a pseudo-OS on top of Windows. We know how that turned out. * I'm old enough to remember the days of the "Phoenix" betas (later Firebird then Firefox). A lean/mean fast web-browser. Now it's turned into a bloated monstrosity, complete with relational database, that's being used as the basis for Firefox-OS phones. * Google's Chrome/Chromium came from Chrome-OS, so it's not too surprising that it demands dbus and udev to build. * I remember when KDE and GNOME were zippy on machines with 64 megs of RAM. The sad part is that the GNOME desktop had more features then than it has now as it moves towards becoming GNOME-OS. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications