From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49ACB138E20 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 07:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C77CE0B66; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 07:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-f170.google.com (mail-lb0-f170.google.com [209.85.217.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C03DE0B10 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2014 07:42:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f170.google.com with SMTP id u14so2094072lbd.15 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:42:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type; bh=k5PTjQ5qocZuBujwwb2AF400Uxfrj24og7cKl4YnEwQ=; b=Ocn0cT+lBRyxBnkEFAfXkl61hb4jVSygNIYEn72YRi3ZIpjhQhhSNg7/rQEOUls8Rl ETmUnDPTK2RjNaEghY2oxy4c6zKmRY/OkXDlzAkH+wUqe03N/LXWgbvKno5xxIkkrwyz +XumBJVOX86quo+SdaxfTtOvADGVIDVm2WvMzJzQ4NJ0TUQ4OuAo4sPxJcTFkGN/KWY8 D2vzeOV7MqElVCcJUhVfTVyYAjyaATLGdhaQKIk8M8eglTX9s0GYZl+BMHu9Y65uOfYE Sk6oBDrOtSVDM9FlgQdhSzi4wRGKQg0LqGxWlu+QpZJPDMPvsce1mbTal8iiAqExo+zZ X1mA== X-Received: by 10.152.5.199 with SMTP id u7mr3574150lau.16.1392968560578; Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:42:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([198.46.152.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id jl8sm6729852lbc.16.2014.02.20.23.42.31 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 20 Feb 2014 23:42:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:42:16 +0400 From: Andrew Savchenko To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie Message-Id: <20140221114216.027ca1dbdb341884b3fded67@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5306990B.1030506@sporkbox.us> References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <52FF9D58.3000608@libertytrek.org> <52FFCE52.5060401@sporkbox.us> <5306990B.1030506@sporkbox.us> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.22; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA512"; boundary="Signature=_Fri__21_Feb_2014_11_42_16_+0400_RFlaV0eDOwUbHEGB" X-Archives-Salt: 71cccacb-6634-4c5d-ab43-f9d317cc0eec X-Archives-Hash: 8526f5739484bbbab129bb54d6bad01e --Signature=_Fri__21_Feb_2014_11_42_16_+0400_RFlaV0eDOwUbHEGB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:08:43 -0600 Daniel Campbell wrote: > It's marginally clever, but so clearly obvious at the same time. It's > sad (to me) that the community didn't see it coming. Those who did have > been written off as conspiracy theorists or FUDders. Time will reveal all. Indeed time reveals everything and part of this foiled plot revealed itself two days ago. It was said earlier in the list by systemd supporters, that this project is modular, fine split to binaries and thus critical issues in the pid 1 are not that likely. And just look at systemd-209 release notes: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-February/017146.ht= ml [quote] We merged libsystemd-journal.so, libsystemd-id128.so, libsystemd-login and libsystemd-daemon into a a single libsystemd.so to reduce code duplication and avoid cyclic dependencies (see below). [/quote] So all talks about systemd being modular are nothing more than nonsense. Guess what will happen on segfault in libsystemd.so? Segfaults in pid 1 are so nice to bear... And Canek please talk no more about how "talented" systemd programmers are or even about how "professional" they are, because they're no longer. They failed a trivial textbook example: what should one do when libraries A and B have some common code and cyclic deps? Push common code to library C. That's the Unix way and secure way. Creating single bloated library will help in neither fencing nor debugging, nor code audit. It looks like to me that ultimate goal of systemd is to consume as much system and user tools and interfaces as possible. Perhaps, in the ideal systemd world there will be nothing but linux-systemd kernel and systemd-stuff userspace. Shell communication will extinct, all major application and daemons will be converted to systemd "modules". Of course this goal will be never achieved as-is, but one may consider it as an asymptote of their actions. 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