From: Andrew Savchenko <bircoph@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 11:42:16 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140221114216.027ca1dbdb341884b3fded67@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5306990B.1030506@sporkbox.us>
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On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:08:43 -0600 Daniel Campbell wrote:
> It's marginally clever, but so clearly obvious at the same time. It's
> sad (to me) that the community didn't see it coming. Those who did have
> been written off as conspiracy theorists or FUDders. Time will reveal all.
Indeed time reveals everything and part of this foiled plot
revealed itself two days ago. It was said earlier in the list by
systemd supporters, that this project is modular, fine split to
binaries and thus critical issues in the pid 1 are not that likely.
And just look at systemd-209 release notes:
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-February/017146.html
[quote] We merged libsystemd-journal.so, libsystemd-id128.so,
libsystemd-login and libsystemd-daemon into a a single libsystemd.so
to reduce code duplication and avoid cyclic dependencies (see below).
[/quote]
So all talks about systemd being modular are nothing more than
nonsense. Guess what will happen on segfault in libsystemd.so?
Segfaults in pid 1 are so nice to bear...
And Canek please talk no more about how "talented" systemd
programmers are or even about how "professional" they are, because
they're no longer. They failed a trivial textbook example: what should
one do when libraries A and B have some common code and cyclic deps?
Push common code to library C. That's the Unix way and secure way.
Creating single bloated library will help in neither fencing nor
debugging, nor code audit.
It looks like to me that ultimate goal of systemd is to consume as
much system and user tools and interfaces as possible. Perhaps, in the
ideal systemd world there will be nothing but linux-systemd kernel and
systemd-stuff userspace. Shell communication will extinct, all major
application and daemons will be converted to systemd "modules". Of
course this goal will be never achieved as-is, but one may consider
it as an asymptote of their actions.
Best regards,
Andrew Savchenko
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2014-02-15 15:16 [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie Tanstaafl
2014-02-15 17:01 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-15 17:32 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-15 20:23 ` Mick
2014-02-15 20:32 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-15 20:34 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-15 20:46 ` [gentoo-user] " eroen
2014-02-15 20:47 ` [gentoo-user] " Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 15:46 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-16 16:41 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-16 18:11 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-02-16 21:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-17 5:22 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-02-17 16:52 ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2014-02-17 15:29 ` [gentoo-user] " Stroller
2014-02-17 19:53 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-18 3:46 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-18 9:47 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-18 9:52 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 11:17 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-18 12:16 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 23:06 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-19 7:07 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 11:54 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-18 12:07 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 22:43 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-18 15:08 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-16 16:50 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 18:31 ` Mick
2014-02-16 19:56 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 18:59 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-02-16 20:08 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 20:58 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-02-16 21:16 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-17 17:52 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-17 19:52 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-17 20:17 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 11:41 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-18 0:35 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 2:05 ` Gevisz
2014-02-18 5:30 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 13:56 ` Gevisz
2014-02-18 18:53 ` the
2014-02-19 10:37 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 8:41 ` the
2014-03-20 16:39 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18 17:06 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 17:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 18:07 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 18:14 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 18:31 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-18 18:54 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 19:09 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-18 19:34 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 21:33 ` wabenbau
2014-03-20 16:55 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-19 7:04 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-19 7:55 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-19 9:02 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-19 10:34 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-19 10:50 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-19 10:54 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-19 20:14 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-19 9:06 ` Gevisz
2014-02-19 10:19 ` thegeezer
2014-02-19 12:13 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-03-20 18:42 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 13:00 ` thegeezer
2014-03-22 13:09 ` thegeezer
2014-03-22 14:43 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-19 12:38 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 5:43 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 12:53 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 15:55 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 18:18 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 18:36 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 20:06 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 21:04 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 21:22 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 21:38 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 23:37 ` Michael Higgins
2014-02-21 0:16 ` Michael Higgins
2014-02-21 1:46 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 1:40 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 21:37 ` Michael Higgins
2014-02-21 22:44 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 14:32 ` Providing a path for systemd on gentoo - 'profiles', or 'eselect module'? - WAS " Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 21:58 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-22 16:37 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-22 17:46 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-20 18:57 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 20:22 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-20 20:33 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 21:24 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-20 22:55 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-25 10:03 ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-02-26 7:16 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-26 8:07 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-03-20 19:45 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-21 17:33 ` [gentoo-user] " thegeezer
2014-02-21 18:07 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 20:33 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-22 13:21 ` thegeezer
2014-02-22 13:26 ` thegeezer
2014-03-20 19:53 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-21 3:36 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-21 4:59 ` Dale
2014-02-21 5:53 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-03-20 20:00 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 20:27 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-03-20 21:15 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 21:48 ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2014-03-21 10:37 ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-21 11:06 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-25 20:08 ` »Q«
2014-03-25 22:25 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-25 23:34 ` »Q«
2014-03-26 0:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-20 21:23 ` [gentoo-user] " Tanstaafl
2014-03-21 11:08 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-21 14:02 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 14:28 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-21 14:50 ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-20 20:14 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 21:25 ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-21 11:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 12:10 ` Dale
2014-03-21 12:45 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 17:41 ` Dale
2014-03-21 18:32 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 0:29 ` Dale
2014-03-25 15:38 ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-03-25 15:35 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-03-25 17:15 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-26 8:49 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-03-26 9:13 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-03-21 12:27 ` [gentoo-user] " Neil Bothwick
2014-03-21 12:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 13:13 ` Poison BL.
2014-03-21 13:29 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 21:57 ` Walter Dnes
2014-03-21 22:34 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-21 23:46 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 10:34 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-22 10:57 ` Matti Nykyri
2014-03-22 11:08 ` Dale
2014-03-22 12:18 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 12:15 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 12:56 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-03-22 14:50 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 15:28 ` luis jure
2014-03-22 15:38 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 15:52 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 19:45 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-03-22 13:07 ` thegeezer
2014-03-22 12:05 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 23:40 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 13:35 ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-22 15:10 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-22 17:24 ` Dale
2014-03-21 17:49 ` Dale
2014-03-21 17:43 ` Tanstaafl
2014-03-21 18:23 ` Dale
2014-03-21 19:58 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-03-22 0:28 ` Dale
2014-03-22 9:24 ` Mick
2014-03-22 9:52 ` Dale
2014-02-21 15:20 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 16:05 ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2014-02-21 21:07 ` [gentoo-user] " Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 19:32 ` Neil Bothwick
2014-02-18 19:54 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-03-21 11:18 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-20 16:52 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18 16:43 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 17:11 ` Gevisz
2014-02-18 17:13 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-03-20 16:36 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18 16:36 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 17:12 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-19 9:00 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-20 5:34 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 20:14 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-21 22:40 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-22 7:40 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-22 10:38 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-22 17:21 ` Stroller
2014-02-22 19:36 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-22 20:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-22 21:39 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-22 15:28 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-22 17:50 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-03-20 16:24 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-18 9:54 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-18 14:37 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-19 8:50 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-19 19:54 ` Sebastian Beßler
2014-02-20 5:24 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-20 9:16 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-20 11:33 ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-02-20 11:53 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-20 15:24 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-21 7:03 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-21 8:48 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-21 9:59 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-20 15:16 ` [gentoo-user] " Alan McKinnon
2014-02-21 21:03 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-02-20 15:52 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 20:30 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-21 11:27 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 11:24 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 11:50 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-21 11:59 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 12:41 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-21 13:20 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 14:06 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-03-21 14:37 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-03-21 17:29 ` Dale
2014-02-16 19:00 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-16 19:26 ` Mick
2014-02-16 19:55 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-16 20:27 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 20:56 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-02-18 21:05 ` Sebastian Beßler
2014-02-18 21:32 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 22:35 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-19 0:18 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-19 12:57 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-20 5:06 ` Mike Gilbert
2014-03-21 11:41 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-17 12:17 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-17 12:24 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-17 15:00 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-17 17:13 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-17 18:24 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 0:49 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 17:44 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 18:09 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-17 18:28 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-18 1:09 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 11:35 ` Andrew Savchenko
2014-02-18 15:02 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 17:24 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-18 17:46 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 8:19 ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2014-02-18 14:25 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-18 19:24 ` gottlieb
2014-02-16 20:19 ` [gentoo-user] " Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-16 20:59 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-02-17 7:01 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-23 13:35 ` Mick
2014-02-23 18:18 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-23 22:32 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-23 23:05 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-23 23:12 ` Mick
2014-02-23 23:54 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-24 20:54 ` Mick
2014-02-24 21:48 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-24 23:15 ` Mick
2014-02-25 12:40 ` Gentoo+Gnome requires systemd, but Gnome itself does not? Why? - WAS: " Tanstaafl
2014-02-25 12:58 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-25 16:26 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-24 1:07 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-02-24 2:10 ` Walter Dnes
2014-02-24 2:20 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-24 2:49 ` Poison BL.
2014-02-24 2:30 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-24 6:37 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-24 7:11 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-24 12:39 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-24 13:42 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-24 14:33 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-24 17:42 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-24 18:55 ` Mark David Dumlao
2014-02-24 20:13 ` Yuri K. Shatroff
2014-02-26 20:29 ` Walter Dnes
2014-02-28 6:47 ` Stroller
2014-02-28 8:05 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-02-28 13:45 ` Stroller
2014-03-01 11:29 ` Mick
2014-03-21 11:35 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-02-15 20:30 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-15 21:32 ` Gevisz
2014-02-16 2:09 ` [gentoo-user] " walt
2014-02-16 2:23 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2014-02-21 0:08 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 1:42 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 2:39 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 2:53 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 3:22 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 21:04 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 13:24 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 13:34 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 13:43 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 13:54 ` Daniel Campbell
2014-02-21 14:03 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 15:28 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 15:56 ` OT: 'profit motive' - WAS " Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 16:23 ` hasufell
2014-02-21 16:50 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 17:17 ` hasufell
2014-02-21 18:05 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-21 19:35 ` hasufell
2014-02-21 20:02 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-22 0:59 ` hasufell
2014-02-21 22:32 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 22:29 ` Gevisz
2014-02-21 7:42 ` Andrew Savchenko [this message]
2014-02-21 21:32 ` Sebastian Beßler
2014-02-21 22:43 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-26 10:05 ` Stefan G. Weichinger
2014-02-21 22:19 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2014-02-21 13:48 ` Tanstaafl
2014-02-16 18:49 ` [gentoo-user] " Volker Armin Hemmann
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