From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B45138E20 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 40F32E0D32; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.digimed.co.uk (82-69-83-178.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.69.83.178]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF65E0D05 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from digimed.co.uk (shooty.digimed.co.uk [192.168.1.8]) by mail.digimed.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 61D6E21860 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:50:12 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:50:05 +0000 From: Neil Bothwick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie Message-ID: <20140219105005.64e30126@digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <530488BB.4060206@sporkbox.us> References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <5300DD51.5060207@libertytrek.org> <53010A8E.2050909@googlemail.com> <53012691.6040503@googlemail.com> <20140217215255.5766cb026df2f0b8002f8702@gmail.com> <5302c048.462f0e0a.3d3e.5888@mx.google.com> <20140218210633.d25f4bb88b3891f7c0ed11c6@gmail.com> <20140218220712.9ec8d2529ef49d743b3bc826@gmail.com> <5304576E.4000704@sporkbox.us> <20140219090226.1609dedd@digimed.co.uk> <530488BB.4060206@sporkbox.us> Organization: Digital Media Production X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.3-25-g589150 (GTK+ 2.24.22; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-GPG-Fingerprint: 7260 0F33 97EC 2F1E 7667 FE37 BA6E 1A97 4375 1903 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/Yf3Gu0Ag_SS4b4=e00j6D3."; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: a13e45a3-f650-4f86-b556-b2df442f9ff3 X-Archives-Hash: c12be2a307100175ac33f295e9ce9ca7 --Sig_/Yf3Gu0Ag_SS4b4=e00j6D3. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 04:34:35 -0600, Daniel Campbell wrote: > > How is putting systemd setting in a profile that a user has to=20 > > consciously choose to use forcing anything on anyone? Profiles are > > the essence of choice but it appears you only want the choices you > > approve of to be available. > Perhaps I didn't phrase it correctly. Logically, a "non systemd" > profile would necessitate either a systemd profile, or require the > default to already ship systemd. I hadn't considered the prior > existence of systemd profiles, which we currently have, so afaict the > issue is mostly moot. We already have non-systemd profiles. Until recently that is all we had. > Choices are great until the existence of other choices infringes on > mine. Profiles prevent that, so I have no problem with systemd > profiles. The problem lies with evangelists who aren't happy with > systemd being *a* choice. They want systemd to be *the* choice, *the* > default. That is what I take issue with. Why are you so concerned about the default, not that anyone in this thread has suggested making systemd the default, not even Canek? If you cannot use eselect profile set, Gentoo is not for you anyway? The handbook tells you to select a profile quite early in the installation, there is no default - portage complain loudly if you haven't chosen a profile, so I fail to see how anyone can force systemd (or openrc for that matter) on users when the choice must be made. There are technical arguments for and against systemd, which is why this thread was started, rhetoric about forcing default profiles on people when there is no such thing as a default profile only serve to cloud the real issues. --=20 Neil Bothwick System halted - hit any Microsoft employee to continue. --Sig_/Yf3Gu0Ag_SS4b4=e00j6D3. Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlMEjGMACgkQum4al0N1GQPtfgCdEed4L+jhdk07JtNQtwc/GJgu eSQAnjEQqbBJiMX+sXANdGdvrOqZ8016 =1Is+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/Yf3Gu0Ag_SS4b4=e00j6D3.--