From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5429A138E35 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 21:33:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FDC8E09FA; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 21:33:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.web-xs.org (mail.web-xs.org [148.251.4.204]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64650E099F for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 21:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.web-xs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5906EC155A for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:33:20 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.web-xs.org Received: from mail.web-xs.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.web-xs.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rVKDpQnWp-5M for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:33:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from server-1.localdomain (p54A71AC5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.167.26.197]) (Authenticated sender: lukas@der-erste-sinn.de) by mail.web-xs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5CF176EC1557 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:33:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from hal9000.localdomain (hal.localdomain [192.168.0.2]) by server-1.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48EB09AE9 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:33:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:33:05 +0100 From: To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie Message-ID: <20140218223305.4c86c194@hal9000.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <5303AFF6.5090505@libertytrek.org> References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <5300DD51.5060207@libertytrek.org> <53010A8E.2050909@googlemail.com> <53012691.6040503@googlemail.com> <20140217215255.5766cb026df2f0b8002f8702@gmail.com> <5302c048.462f0e0a.3d3e.5888@mx.google.com> <20140218210633.d25f4bb88b3891f7c0ed11c6@gmail.com> <20140218220712.9ec8d2529ef49d743b3bc826@gmail.com> <5303A715.2090103@libertytrek.org> <5303AFF6.5090505@libertytrek.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.22; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 8645768d-8d42-433b-a723-7a9c2937ba11 X-Archives-Hash: 8a71e39244cb4f1b9ac3515a74c98389 Am Dienstag, 18.02.2014 um 14:09 schrieb Tanstaafl : > >> I can't for the life of me think of any reason that server daemons > >> like postfix, dovecot, apache, etc would or could ever *require* > >> systemd. > > > Neither of those packages would ever require systemd (nor any init > > system). If they do, I would call that a bug. > > Then why should XFCE requiring it also not be a bug? > > I totally get XFCE *supporting* the use of logind, but why should it > ever support *only* logind? That would seem insane to me. I'm not sure if I understand you correctly but I'm using XFCE, thunar and nautilus without systemd and everything is working fine.