From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A31138E35 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 19:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 85F38E0D2C; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 19:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.digimed.co.uk (82-69-83-178.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.69.83.178]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B148E0CCA for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 19:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hactar.digimed.co.uk (hactar.digimed.co.uk [192.168.1.3]) by mail.digimed.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3868423AAF for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2014 19:32:33 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 19:32:28 +0000 From: Neil Bothwick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie Message-ID: <20140218193228.04386e85@hactar.digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20140218220712.9ec8d2529ef49d743b3bc826@gmail.com> References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <201402152023.10543.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <5300DD51.5060207@libertytrek.org> <53010A8E.2050909@googlemail.com> <53012691.6040503@googlemail.com> <20140217215255.5766cb026df2f0b8002f8702@gmail.com> <5302c048.462f0e0a.3d3e.5888@mx.google.com> <20140218210633.d25f4bb88b3891f7c0ed11c6@gmail.com> <20140218220712.9ec8d2529ef49d743b3bc826@gmail.com> Organization: Digital Media Production X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.3-24-g0f01f3 (GTK+ 2.24.22; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-GPG-Fingerprint: 7260 0F33 97EC 2F1E 7667 FE37 BA6E 1A97 4375 1903 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/E5GYYI0=Qg0ZKQRFCoz=8xn"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 6ae7391e-8e5b-4757-8e4b-2c4f2e70c98c X-Archives-Hash: de396c0ccef9e979792f195f810a50c8 --Sig_/E5GYYI0=Qg0ZKQRFCoz=8xn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:07:12 +0400, Andrew Savchenko wrote: > > Then write. Just be aware that to write a systemd profile, you need to > > use systemd. =20 >=20 > Or to create a non-systemd profile :) We already have many of those, because systemd is not the default. Part of making it the default, if that decision is ever taken, would be to modify the current profiles to support systemd, at which point the old versions would become the non-systemd profiles. Yes, it does take systemd users/devs to create a systemd profile, but they are the one that will want to use it anyway. The rest already have what they want. This is the way things have moved with the GNOME and KDE profiles, expect others to follow suit. I'm still uncomfortable with the pervasiveness of systemd, although Canek does put forward persuasive arguments, through a mixture of expertise and remaining calm. So GNOME want to use logind, which may well be superior to ConsoleKit, but why should that require a change of init system? A login daemon should be started by the init system, not be an integral part of it. What happens when logind no longer fulfils developers needs, as is the case with ConsoleKit now, how can it be replaced with an improved service when it is so closely tied to the init system. --=20 Neil Bothwick Windows '96 artificial intelligence: Unable to FORMAT A: Having a go at C: --Sig_/E5GYYI0=Qg0ZKQRFCoz=8xn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlMDtVAACgkQum4al0N1GQP7cQCg20hfceZKrV3AlT9MwAA2A8Qe hoIAoKhs8Wjz+KYzBH2b8HujOMiJVz7A =0fXp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/E5GYYI0=Qg0ZKQRFCoz=8xn--