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[217.169.3.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id di9sm16347243wid.6.2014.02.15.12.23.21 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 15 Feb 2014 12:23:22 -0800 (PST) From: Mick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:23:09 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.10.17-gentoo; KDE/4.11.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <52FF84CE.2050301@libertytrek.org> <52FF9D58.3000608@libertytrek.org> In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1437191.GzTjDnCmdP"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201402152023.10543.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 7b4b10f7-c8c2-497c-9b8e-8b206113e5da X-Archives-Hash: 5629616579d2c0c3b1cb332cdf3a6197 --nextPart1437191.GzTjDnCmdP Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Saturday 15 Feb 2014 17:32:44 Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > On Feb 15, 2014 11:02 AM, "Tanstaafl" wrote: > > On 2014-02-15 10:16 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > >> Hi all, > >>=20 > >> Not to revive a flame-fest against systemd, but... > >>=20 > >> I'm sure some or most of you have already heard about this, but I found > >> a really decent thread discussing this whole systemd thing. It is only > >> really comparing systemd and upstart, as that was the debate going on = in > >> the debian TC, but it is a great read, and has actually made me rethink > >> my blind objections to systemd a bit. > >=20 > > One of which was logging: > >=20 > > "20. Myth: systemd makes it impossible to run syslog. > >=20 > > Not true, we carefully made sure when we introduced the journal that all >=20 > data is also passed on to any syslog daemon running. In fact, if something > changed, then only that syslog gets more complete data now than it got > before, since we now cover early boot stuff as well as STDOUT/STDERR of a= ny > system service." >=20 > > From: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html >=20 > Also, for those of you who don't follow Linux-related news, Ubuntu will > also change to systemd in the future: >=20 > http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316 >=20 > And I *heard* that Slackware was also discussing the possibility, but sin= ce > I don't follow Slackware at all, I don't know for sure. >=20 > Anyway, distros not using systemd, and that they are not really small > and/or niche, seem to be disappearing. The discussion that Tanstaafl post= ed > is interesting since the arguments used by the four TC members are really > focused on the technical merits of the proposed init systems. There was a thread sometime last year mentioning a slimmer/slicker and obey= ing=20 to the *nix design principles initialisation system, but can't find it at t= he=20 moment. Isn't that at all in the running? =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart1437191.GzTjDnCmdP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAABAgAGBQJS/8yuAAoJELAdA+zwE4YeiK8IAKU8nYOFxls1DJVJjq5+PYl4 9vKH7MKLSVYeOx4TZ2BGTJmM77wjdtf+8qdscmlwN4pLsVaVgjwSIhhsOmpIGoyO vOf5ugbOQhL4LN8rIo57sUq4Y1TTL3GOBG97e8Bg8JbndpUk26QGw55lFYit0EKU 7ZljEHVNX14aFNlDL+RmKeSPG3xFk1Ss0dPp9bZ1X3sfjWlYiWWLmPKWgs1qBh0z jnLB8Qs/QzB97DtMH775z62iScgFi8ylRW2ItWLreUppTKPp/42SXa+WDtYVFBhI 0nIqOGVJDvQfuBC+3mvmJwg+M620zTIYA4mXjy195zvxRjbdrQICVljU/K51JuM= =9Sme -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1437191.GzTjDnCmdP--