[gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[Joseph]

Which program is responsible for mounting USB stick on XFCE4?

After enable "systemd" flag in make.conf USE=
the following packages were rebuild:
sys-apps/busybox
sys-apps/dbus
sys-auth/pambase
sys-auth/polkit
sys-fs/udisks
sys-power/upower
gnome-base/gvfs

But now I have a BIG problem, I can not mount USB stick at all as user (only as root).
Eject doesn't work either.

-- 
Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[Alan McKinnon]

On 05/02/2014 18:32, Joseph wrote:
> Which program is responsible for mounting USB stick on XFCE4?
> 
> After enable "systemd" flag in make.conf USE=
> the following packages were rebuild:
> sys-apps/busybox
> sys-apps/dbus
> sys-auth/pambase
> sys-auth/polkit
> sys-fs/udisks
> sys-power/upower
> gnome-base/gvfs
> 
> But now I have a BIG problem, I can not mount USB stick at all as user
> (only as root).
> Eject doesn't work either.
> 

fast reply off the top of the head of someone who has never used systemd:


Systemd and udev are tightly interwoven. Did you restart udev?

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[Joseph]

On 02/05/14 18:35, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>On 05/02/2014 18:32, Joseph wrote:
>> Which program is responsible for mounting USB stick on XFCE4?
>>
>> After enable "systemd" flag in make.conf USE=
>> the following packages were rebuild:
>> sys-apps/busybox
>> sys-apps/dbus
>> sys-auth/pambase
>> sys-auth/polkit
>> sys-fs/udisks
>> sys-power/upower
>> gnome-base/gvfs
>>
>> But now I have a BIG problem, I can not mount USB stick at all as user
>> (only as root).
>> Eject doesn't work either.
>>
>
>fast reply off the top of the head of someone who has never used systemd:
>
>
>Systemd and udev are tightly interwoven. Did you restart udev?
>
>-- 
>Alan McKinnon
>alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Yes, I restarted the system. I don't have "udev" installed; systemd is replacing udev isn't it?
Before installing systemd I had to unmerge udev.

-- 
Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[Alan McKinnon]

On 05/02/2014 19:03, Joseph wrote:
> On 02/05/14 18:35, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 05/02/2014 18:32, Joseph wrote:
>>> Which program is responsible for mounting USB stick on XFCE4?
>>>
>>> After enable "systemd" flag in make.conf USE=
>>> the following packages were rebuild:
>>> sys-apps/busybox
>>> sys-apps/dbus
>>> sys-auth/pambase
>>> sys-auth/polkit
>>> sys-fs/udisks
>>> sys-power/upower
>>> gnome-base/gvfs
>>>
>>> But now I have a BIG problem, I can not mount USB stick at all as user
>>> (only as root).
>>> Eject doesn't work either.
>>>
>>
>> fast reply off the top of the head of someone who has never used systemd:
>>
>>
>> Systemd and udev are tightly interwoven. Did you restart udev?
>>
>> -- 
>> Alan McKinnon
>> alan.mckinnon@gmail.com
> 
> Yes, I restarted the system. I don't have "udev" installed; systemd is
> replacing udev isn't it?
> Before installing systemd I had to unmerge udev.
> 

Here's how I understand how things work:

There's a body of code called "udev" which when runs performs a service
called "udev".

There's also a body of code called "systemd" which when it runs is PID 1.

And there's a project called "systemd" which does all manner of PID 1
things and controls early startup amongst other things. There used to be
a project called udev which has been folded into the systemd project.

Both bodies of code are these days found in a tarball called "systemd"
from the systemd project which is why you download systemd sources when
installing the Gentoo udev package.

However, systemd doesn't just magically do what udev does out of thin
air. udev is still a functional running service and must be enabled in
systemd for it to run.

Confused yet? English is a hugely overloaded language.

I'm thinking you need systemd with the udev USE flag set.

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[Joseph]

On 02/05/14 20:06, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>On 05/02/2014 19:03, Joseph wrote:
>> On 02/05/14 18:35, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> On 05/02/2014 18:32, Joseph wrote:
>>>> Which program is responsible for mounting USB stick on XFCE4?
>>>>
>>>> After enable "systemd" flag in make.conf USE=
>>>> the following packages were rebuild:
>>>> sys-apps/busybox
>>>> sys-apps/dbus
>>>> sys-auth/pambase
>>>> sys-auth/polkit
>>>> sys-fs/udisks
>>>> sys-power/upower
>>>> gnome-base/gvfs
>>>>
>>>> But now I have a BIG problem, I can not mount USB stick at all as user
>>>> (only as root).
>>>> Eject doesn't work either.
>>>>
>>>
>>> fast reply off the top of the head of someone who has never used systemd:
>>>
>>>
>>> Systemd and udev are tightly interwoven. Did you restart udev?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alan McKinnon
>>> alan.mckinnon@gmail.com
>>
>> Yes, I restarted the system. I don't have "udev" installed; systemd is
>> replacing udev isn't it?
>> Before installing systemd I had to unmerge udev.
>>
>
>Here's how I understand how things work:
>
>There's a body of code called "udev" which when runs performs a service
>called "udev".
>
>There's also a body of code called "systemd" which when it runs is PID 1.
>
>And there's a project called "systemd" which does all manner of PID 1
>things and controls early startup amongst other things. There used to be
>a project called udev which has been folded into the systemd project.
>
>Both bodies of code are these days found in a tarball called "systemd"
>from the systemd project which is why you download systemd sources when
>installing the Gentoo udev package.
>
>However, systemd doesn't just magically do what udev does out of thin
>air. udev is still a functional running service and must be enabled in
>systemd for it to run.
>
>Confused yet? English is a hugely overloaded language.
>
>I'm thinking you need systemd with the udev USE flag set.
>
>-- 
>Alan McKinnon
>alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

If I'm not mistaken my "systemd" is installed with "gudev" flag.

sys-apps/systemd-208-r2:0/1  USE="filecaps firmware-loader gudev introspection kmod pam policykit tcpd -acl -audit -cryptsetup -doc -gcrypt -http -lzma -python 
-qrcode (-selinux) {-test} -vanilla -xattr" ABI_X86="(64) (-32) (-x32)" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7" 0 kB

-- 
Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[Alan McKinnon]

On 05/02/2014 20:42, Joseph wrote:
>> I'm thinking you need systemd with the udev USE flag set.
>>
>> -- 
>> Alan McKinnon
>> alan.mckinnon@gmail.com
> 
> If I'm not mistaken my "systemd" is installed with "gudev" flag.
> 
> sys-apps/systemd-208-r2:0/1  USE="filecaps firmware-loader gudev
> introspection kmod pam policykit tcpd -acl -audit -cryptsetup -doc
> -gcrypt -http -lzma -python -qrcode (-selinux) {-test} -vanilla -xattr"
> ABI_X86="(64) (-32) (-x32)" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7"
> PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7" 0 kB



I'm all out of ideas. I don't use systemd myself.

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina]

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On 02/05/2014 12:03 PM, Joseph wrote:

> Yes, I restarted the system. I don't have "udev" installed; systemd is
> replacing udev isn't it?
> Before installing systemd I had to unmerge udev.
> 

systemd REPLACES openrc, and BUNDLES udev.  Modern linux REQUIRES udev
to run.  You can use the udev built into systemd, or you can use the
conveniently separated standalone version in gentoo, but if you don't
have udev, your system will not work right.

Please install udev.

Thanks,
Zero
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Re: [gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:
> Which program is responsible for mounting USB stick on XFCE4?
>
> After enable "systemd" flag in make.conf USE=
> the following packages were rebuild:
> sys-apps/busybox
> sys-apps/dbus
> sys-auth/pambase
> sys-auth/polkit
> sys-fs/udisks
> sys-power/upower
> gnome-base/gvfs
>
> But now I have a BIG problem, I can not mount USB stick at all as user (only
> as root).
> Eject doesn't work either.

I don't know the answer to your question, since I don't use Xfce, but
inside xfce-base/*, but I only see thunar depending on udisks, and
then only with the udev USE flag activated (which is automatic when
using any of the desktop profiles, I believe). Without looking at the
code of Xfce, I can only guess that Thunar handles the mounting of
external devices.

Let me ask you a few questions:

1. Before switching to systemd, how did you mounted the stick; it was
automatic (it just appeared in Thunar), or you had to do something?

2. When you say that you can mount it only as root, you mean inside a
Xfce session as root?

3. The following line is in /etc/pam.d/system-auth?

   -session        optional        pam_systemd.so

4. Using systemd is more than just emerging it; you need to change
your init= line in grub-legacy or GRUB2 and reboot. The contents of
/proc/1/comm is "systemd"?

5. If the contents of /proc/1/comm is "systemd", could you please show
us the output from the following commands when inside your Xfce
session (as your normal user):

   • systemctl --all --full
   • loginctl (annotate your-session [first column] and your-seat [last column])
   • loginctl seat-status your-seat
   • loginctl session-status your-session
   • loginctl user-status your-user

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[Joseph]

On 02/05/14 11:46, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Which program is responsible for mounting USB stick on XFCE4?
>>
>> After enable "systemd" flag in make.conf USE=
>> the following packages were rebuild:
>> sys-apps/busybox
>> sys-apps/dbus
>> sys-auth/pambase
>> sys-auth/polkit
>> sys-fs/udisks
>> sys-power/upower
>> gnome-base/gvfs
>>
>> But now I have a BIG problem, I can not mount USB stick at all as user (only
>> as root).
>> Eject doesn't work either.
>
>I don't know the answer to your question, since I don't use Xfce, but
>inside xfce-base/*, but I only see thunar depending on udisks, and
>then only with the udev USE flag activated (which is automatic when
>using any of the desktop profiles, I believe). Without looking at the
>code of Xfce, I can only guess that Thunar handles the mounting of
>external devices.
>
>Let me ask you a few questions:
>
>1. Before switching to systemd, how did you mounted the stick; it was
>automatic (it just appeared in Thunar), or you had to do something?

When I insert the USB stick, an icon automatically appears on a desktop so I right click on it an "mount" it.
But after doing these changes it keep telling me I'm "Not authorized to perform the operation" (mount it or eject the USB).

>
>2. When you say that you can mount it only as root, you mean inside a
>Xfce session as root?

To mount the USB I have to login as root, from command line.

>
>3. The following line is in /etc/pam.d/system-auth?
>
>   -session        optional        pam_systemd.so

Yes, I have this line in in /etc/pam.d/system-auth

>
>4. Using systemd is more than just emerging it; you need to change
>your init= line in grub-legacy or GRUB2 and reboot. The contents of
>/proc/1/comm is "systemd"?

I only have this:
cat /proc/1/comm
init

>
>5. If the contents of /proc/1/comm is "systemd", could you please show
>us the output from the following commands when inside your Xfce
>session (as your normal user):
>
>   • systemctl --all --full
>   • loginctl (annotate your-session [first column] and your-seat [last column])
>   • loginctl seat-status your-seat
>   • loginctl session-status your-session
>   • loginctl user-status your-user
>
>Regards.
>-- 
>Canek Peláez Valdés
>Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
>Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

systemctl --all --full
Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager.

loginctl
Failed to issue method call: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1

-- 
Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:

[ humongous snip ]

>> 4. Using systemd is more than just emerging it; you need to change
>> your init= line in grub-legacy or GRUB2 and reboot. The contents of
>> /proc/1/comm is "systemd"?
>
> I only have this:
> cat /proc/1/comm
> init

[ snip ]

> systemctl --all --full
> Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager.
>
> loginctl
> Failed to issue method call: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1

Joseph, you are not running systemd. You have systemd *installed*, but
you are still *running* OpenRC. Therefore, your system is obviously
going to fail, since at least some parts of it believe you are running
systemd when you are not.

If you use GRUB, you need to change its config file and add the
following to your kernel command line:

init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd

If you are using GRUB2, change /etc/default/grub and modify
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX so it has "init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd". Then run
grub2-mkconfig again.

Beware, systemd requires some kernel config options set or it will not
work. For systemd 208, these are:

AUTOFS4_FS
BLK_DEV_BSG
CGROUPS
DEVTMPFS
DMIID
EPOLL
FANOTIFY
FHANDLE
INOTIFY_USER
IPV6
NET
PROC_FS
SECCOMP
SIGNALFD
SYSFS
TIMERFD

Also, the following kernel config options should *NOT* be set:

IDE
SYSFS_DEPRECATED
SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2
GRKERNSEC_PROC

Lastly, if you have /usr in a different partition from /, you *need*
an initramfs (this is now true also for OpenRC). Please check the
instructions set in:

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd

To finish, let me remark that systemd never had problems in your
system. The problem was that you were not running systemd.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[Joseph]

On 02/05/14 13:06, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>[ humongous snip ]
>
>>> 4. Using systemd is more than just emerging it; you need to change
>>> your init= line in grub-legacy or GRUB2 and reboot. The contents of
>>> /proc/1/comm is "systemd"?
>>
>> I only have this:
>> cat /proc/1/comm
>> init
>
>[ snip ]
>
>> systemctl --all --full
>> Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager.
>>
>> loginctl
>> Failed to issue method call: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 1
>
>Joseph, you are not running systemd. You have systemd *installed*, but
>you are still *running* OpenRC. Therefore, your system is obviously
>going to fail, since at least some parts of it believe you are running
>systemd when you are not.
>
>If you use GRUB, you need to change its config file and add the
>following to your kernel command line:
>
>init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd
>
>If you are using GRUB2, change /etc/default/grub and modify
>GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX so it has "init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd". Then run
>grub2-mkconfig again.
>
>Beware, systemd requires some kernel config options set or it will not
>work. For systemd 208, these are:
>
>AUTOFS4_FS
>BLK_DEV_BSG
>CGROUPS
>DEVTMPFS
>DMIID
>EPOLL
>FANOTIFY
>FHANDLE
>INOTIFY_USER
>IPV6
>NET
>PROC_FS
>SECCOMP
>SIGNALFD
>SYSFS
>TIMERFD
>
>Also, the following kernel config options should *NOT* be set:
>
>IDE
>SYSFS_DEPRECATED
>SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2
>GRKERNSEC_PROC
>
>Lastly, if you have /usr in a different partition from /, you *need*
>an initramfs (this is now true also for OpenRC). Please check the
>instructions set in:
>
>https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd
>
>To finish, let me remark that systemd never had problems in your
>system. The problem was that you were not running systemd.
>
>Regards.
>-- 
>Canek Peláez Valdés
>Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
>Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Thank you for correction.  You are correct I would need to switch to new systemd.
I think for now I'll go back to udev as I'm afraid something might not work after switching :-/

-- 
Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 02/05/14 13:06, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> [ humongous snip ]
>>
>>>> 4. Using systemd is more than just emerging it; you need to change
>>>> your init= line in grub-legacy or GRUB2 and reboot. The contents of
>>>> /proc/1/comm is "systemd"?
>>>
>>>
>>> I only have this:
>>> cat /proc/1/comm
>>> init
>>
>>
>> [ snip ]
>>
>>> systemctl --all --full
>>> Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager.
>>>
>>> loginctl
>>> Failed to issue method call: Launch helper exited with unknown return
>>> code 1
>>
>>
>> Joseph, you are not running systemd. You have systemd *installed*, but
>> you are still *running* OpenRC. Therefore, your system is obviously
>> going to fail, since at least some parts of it believe you are running
>> systemd when you are not.
>>
>> If you use GRUB, you need to change its config file and add the
>> following to your kernel command line:
>>
>> init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd
>>
>> If you are using GRUB2, change /etc/default/grub and modify
>> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX so it has "init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd". Then run
>> grub2-mkconfig again.
>>
>> Beware, systemd requires some kernel config options set or it will not
>> work. For systemd 208, these are:
>>
>> AUTOFS4_FS
>> BLK_DEV_BSG
>> CGROUPS
>> DEVTMPFS
>> DMIID
>> EPOLL
>> FANOTIFY
>> FHANDLE
>> INOTIFY_USER
>> IPV6
>> NET
>> PROC_FS
>> SECCOMP
>> SIGNALFD
>> SYSFS
>> TIMERFD
>>
>> Also, the following kernel config options should *NOT* be set:
>>
>> IDE
>> SYSFS_DEPRECATED
>> SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2
>> GRKERNSEC_PROC
>>
>> Lastly, if you have /usr in a different partition from /, you *need*
>> an initramfs (this is now true also for OpenRC). Please check the
>> instructions set in:
>>
>> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd
>>
>> To finish, let me remark that systemd never had problems in your
>> system. The problem was that you were not running systemd.
>>
>> Regards.
>> --
>> Canek Peláez Valdés
>> Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
>> Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
>
>
> Thank you for correction.  You are correct I would need to switch to new
> systemd.
> I think for now I'll go back to udev as I'm afraid something might not work
> after switching :-/

Why don't you give it a try? You are almost there.

When booting, edit the grub entry and add
init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd. If it works, great; otherwise, you
reboot and get back to where you were.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[Joseph]

On 02/05/14 14:02, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 02/05/14 13:06, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [ humongous snip ]
>>>
>>>>> 4. Using systemd is more than just emerging it; you need to change
>>>>> your init= line in grub-legacy or GRUB2 and reboot. The contents of
>>>>> /proc/1/comm is "systemd"?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I only have this:
>>>> cat /proc/1/comm
>>>> init
>>>
>>>
>>> [ snip ]
>>>
>>>> systemctl --all --full
>>>> Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager.
>>>>
>>>> loginctl
>>>> Failed to issue method call: Launch helper exited with unknown return
>>>> code 1
>>>
>>>
>>> Joseph, you are not running systemd. You have systemd *installed*, but
>>> you are still *running* OpenRC. Therefore, your system is obviously
>>> going to fail, since at least some parts of it believe you are running
>>> systemd when you are not.
>>>
>>> If you use GRUB, you need to change its config file and add the
>>> following to your kernel command line:
>>>
>>> init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd
>>>
>>> If you are using GRUB2, change /etc/default/grub and modify
>>> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX so it has "init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd". Then run
>>> grub2-mkconfig again.
>>>
>>> Beware, systemd requires some kernel config options set or it will not
>>> work. For systemd 208, these are:
>>>
>>> AUTOFS4_FS
>>> BLK_DEV_BSG
>>> CGROUPS
>>> DEVTMPFS
>>> DMIID
>>> EPOLL
>>> FANOTIFY
>>> FHANDLE
>>> INOTIFY_USER
>>> IPV6
>>> NET
>>> PROC_FS
>>> SECCOMP
>>> SIGNALFD
>>> SYSFS
>>> TIMERFD
>>>
>>> Also, the following kernel config options should *NOT* be set:
>>>
>>> IDE
>>> SYSFS_DEPRECATED
>>> SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2
>>> GRKERNSEC_PROC
>>>
>>> Lastly, if you have /usr in a different partition from /, you *need*
>>> an initramfs (this is now true also for OpenRC). Please check the
>>> instructions set in:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd
>>>
>>> To finish, let me remark that systemd never had problems in your
>>> system. The problem was that you were not running systemd.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> --
>>> Canek Peláez Valdés
>>> Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
>>> Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
>>
>>
>> Thank you for correction.  You are correct I would need to switch to new
>> systemd.
>> I think for now I'll go back to udev as I'm afraid something might not work
>> after switching :-/
>
>Why don't you give it a try? You are almost there.
>
>When booting, edit the grub entry and add
>init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd. If it works, great; otherwise, you
>reboot and get back to where you were.
>
>Regards.
>-- 
>Canek Peláez Valdés
>Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
>Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

I'll give it a try as going back to udev is not easy either :-/

-- 
Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[Joseph]

On 02/05/14 14:02, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 02/05/14 13:06, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [ humongous snip ]
>>>
>>>>> 4. Using systemd is more than just emerging it; you need to change
>>>>> your init= line in grub-legacy or GRUB2 and reboot. The contents of
>>>>> /proc/1/comm is "systemd"?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I only have this:
>>>> cat /proc/1/comm
>>>> init
>>>
>>>
>>> [ snip ]
>>>
>>>> systemctl --all --full
>>>> Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager.
>>>>
>>>> loginctl
>>>> Failed to issue method call: Launch helper exited with unknown return
>>>> code 1
>>>
>>>
>>> Joseph, you are not running systemd. You have systemd *installed*, but
>>> you are still *running* OpenRC. Therefore, your system is obviously
>>> going to fail, since at least some parts of it believe you are running
>>> systemd when you are not.
>>>
>>> If you use GRUB, you need to change its config file and add the
>>> following to your kernel command line:
>>>
>>> init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd
>>>
>>> If you are using GRUB2, change /etc/default/grub and modify
>>> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX so it has "init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd". Then run
>>> grub2-mkconfig again.
>>>
>>> Beware, systemd requires some kernel config options set or it will not
>>> work. For systemd 208, these are:
>>>
>>> AUTOFS4_FS
>>> BLK_DEV_BSG
>>> CGROUPS
>>> DEVTMPFS
>>> DMIID
>>> EPOLL
>>> FANOTIFY
>>> FHANDLE
>>> INOTIFY_USER
>>> IPV6
>>> NET
>>> PROC_FS
>>> SECCOMP
>>> SIGNALFD
>>> SYSFS
>>> TIMERFD
>>>
>>> Also, the following kernel config options should *NOT* be set:
>>>
>>> IDE
>>> SYSFS_DEPRECATED
>>> SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2
>>> GRKERNSEC_PROC
>>>
>>> Lastly, if you have /usr in a different partition from /, you *need*
>>> an initramfs (this is now true also for OpenRC). Please check the
>>> instructions set in:
>>>
>>> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd
>>>
>>> To finish, let me remark that systemd never had problems in your
>>> system. The problem was that you were not running systemd.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> --
>>> Canek Peláez Valdés
>>> Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
>>> Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
>>
>>
>> Thank you for correction.  You are correct I would need to switch to new
>> systemd.
>> I think for now I'll go back to udev as I'm afraid something might not work
>> after switching :-/
>
>Why don't you give it a try? You are almost there.
>
>When booting, edit the grub entry and add
>init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd. If it works, great; otherwise, you
>reboot and get back to where you were.
>
>Regards.
>-- 
>Canek Peláez Valdés
>Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
>Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

I've tried to switch my backup system to systemd by adding line init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd to grub donfig 
and as I suspected the system did not boot. I got a kernel paanic. 

can not open root device "hda3" or unknown block (0,0): error -6

-- 
Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 02/05/14 14:02, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 02/05/14 13:06, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [ humongous snip ]
>>>>
>>>>>> 4. Using systemd is more than just emerging it; you need to change
>>>>>> your init= line in grub-legacy or GRUB2 and reboot. The contents of
>>>>>> /proc/1/comm is "systemd"?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I only have this:
>>>>> cat /proc/1/comm
>>>>> init
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [ snip ]
>>>>
>>>>> systemctl --all --full
>>>>> Failed to get D-Bus connection: No connection to service manager.
>>>>>
>>>>> loginctl
>>>>> Failed to issue method call: Launch helper exited with unknown return
>>>>> code 1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joseph, you are not running systemd. You have systemd *installed*, but
>>>> you are still *running* OpenRC. Therefore, your system is obviously
>>>> going to fail, since at least some parts of it believe you are running
>>>> systemd when you are not.
>>>>
>>>> If you use GRUB, you need to change its config file and add the
>>>> following to your kernel command line:
>>>>
>>>> init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd
>>>>
>>>> If you are using GRUB2, change /etc/default/grub and modify
>>>> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX so it has "init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd". Then run
>>>> grub2-mkconfig again.
>>>>
>>>> Beware, systemd requires some kernel config options set or it will not
>>>> work. For systemd 208, these are:
>>>>
>>>> AUTOFS4_FS
>>>> BLK_DEV_BSG
>>>> CGROUPS
>>>> DEVTMPFS
>>>> DMIID
>>>> EPOLL
>>>> FANOTIFY
>>>> FHANDLE
>>>> INOTIFY_USER
>>>> IPV6
>>>> NET
>>>> PROC_FS
>>>> SECCOMP
>>>> SIGNALFD
>>>> SYSFS
>>>> TIMERFD
>>>>
>>>> Also, the following kernel config options should *NOT* be set:
>>>>
>>>> IDE
>>>> SYSFS_DEPRECATED
>>>> SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2
>>>> GRKERNSEC_PROC
>>>>
>>>> Lastly, if you have /usr in a different partition from /, you *need*
>>>> an initramfs (this is now true also for OpenRC). Please check the
>>>> instructions set in:
>>>>
>>>> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd
>>>>
>>>> To finish, let me remark that systemd never had problems in your
>>>> system. The problem was that you were not running systemd.
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>> --
>>>> Canek Peláez Valdés
>>>> Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
>>>> Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for correction.  You are correct I would need to switch to new
>>> systemd.
>>> I think for now I'll go back to udev as I'm afraid something might not
>>> work
>>> after switching :-/
>>
>>
>> Why don't you give it a try? You are almost there.
>>
>> When booting, edit the grub entry and add
>> init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd. If it works, great; otherwise, you
>> reboot and get back to where you were.
>>
>> Regards.
>> --
>> Canek Peláez Valdés
>> Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
>> Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
>
>
> I've tried to switch my backup system to systemd by adding line
> init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd to grub donfig and as I suspected the system
> did not boot. I got a kernel paanic.
> can not open root device "hda3" or unknown block (0,0): error -6

It probably could be fixed, but it will take time and info about your
system (partition arrangement, if you use or not an initramfs, how do
you created it, etc.)

Perhaps you would prefer to get back to OpenRC+udev. Just be aware
that, if you had installed systemd, it was because something requires
it. If you don't use systemd, you will have degraded functionality,
since more and more things require systemd or parts of it
(specifically logind). This not only applies to GNOME 3, but also to
Xfce (which uses a lot of GNOME/Gtk+/glib infrastructure). KDE is also
analyzing how to better use systemd provided technologies.

You can try to set USE="-systemd consolekit" and do a emerge -uDNv
world. That will bring back much (but not all) of the functionality;
just be aware that ConsoleKit is unmaintained and it will eventually
bitrot.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[Joseph]

On 02/05/14 15:01, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
[snip]
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are using GRUB2, change /etc/default/grub and modify
>>>>> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX so it has "init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd". Then run
>>>>> grub2-mkconfig again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Beware, systemd requires some kernel config options set or it will not
>>>>> work. For systemd 208, these are:
>>>>>
>>>>> AUTOFS4_FS
>>>>> BLK_DEV_BSG
>>>>> CGROUPS
>>>>> DEVTMPFS
>>>>> DMIID
>>>>> EPOLL
>>>>> FANOTIFY
>>>>> FHANDLE
>>>>> INOTIFY_USER
>>>>> IPV6
>>>>> NET
>>>>> PROC_FS
>>>>> SECCOMP
>>>>> SIGNALFD
>>>>> SYSFS
>>>>> TIMERFD
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, the following kernel config options should *NOT* be set:
>>>>>
>>>>> IDE
>>>>> SYSFS_DEPRECATED
>>>>> SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2
>>>>> GRKERNSEC_PROC
>>>>>
>>>>> Lastly, if you have /usr in a different partition from /, you *need*
>>>>> an initramfs (this is now true also for OpenRC). Please check the
>>>>> instructions set in:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd
>>>>>
>>>>> To finish, let me remark that systemd never had problems in your
>>>>> system. The problem was that you were not running systemd.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Canek Peláez Valdés
>>>>> Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
>>>>> Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for correction.  You are correct I would need to switch to new
>>>> systemd.
>>>> I think for now I'll go back to udev as I'm afraid something might not
>>>> work
>>>> after switching :-/
>>>
>>>
>>> Why don't you give it a try? You are almost there.
>>>
>>> When booting, edit the grub entry and add
>>> init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd. If it works, great; otherwise, you
>>> reboot and get back to where you were.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> --
>>> Canek Peláez Valdés
>>> Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
>>> Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
>>
>>
>> I've tried to switch my backup system to systemd by adding line
>> init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd to grub donfig and as I suspected the system
>> did not boot. I got a kernel paanic.
>> can not open root device "hda3" or unknown block (0,0): error -6
>
>It probably could be fixed, but it will take time and info about your
>system (partition arrangement, if you use or not an initramfs, how do
>you created it, etc.)
>
>Perhaps you would prefer to get back to OpenRC+udev. Just be aware
>that, if you had installed systemd, it was because something requires
>it. If you don't use systemd, you will have degraded functionality,
>since more and more things require systemd or parts of it
>(specifically logind). This not only applies to GNOME 3, but also to
>Xfce (which uses a lot of GNOME/Gtk+/glib infrastructure). KDE is also
>analyzing how to better use systemd provided technologies.
>
>You can try to set USE="-systemd consolekit" and do a emerge -uDNv
>world. That will bring back much (but not all) of the functionality;
>just be aware that ConsoleKit is unmaintained and it will eventually
>bitrot.
>
>Regards.
>-- 
>Canek Peláez Valdés
>Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
>Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

I have to create new boot strap CD (as the one I have have old kernel) and get to they system first to change grub.conf.
Will get back to you.

-- 
Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 14:31:58 -0700, Joseph wrote:

> I have to create new boot strap CD (as the one I have have old kernel)
> and get to they system first to change grub.conf.

You don't need to change grub.conf to reboot with different options, just
press e and edit the options in place.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

An expert is nothing more than an ordinary person away from home.

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Re: [gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[Joseph]

On 02/06/14 00:06, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 14:31:58 -0700, Joseph wrote:
>
>> I have to create new boot strap CD (as the one I have have old kernel)
>> and get to they system first to change grub.conf.
>
>You don't need to change grub.conf to reboot with different options, just
>press e and edit the options in place.
>
>
>-- 
>Neil Bothwick
>
>An expert is nothing more than an ordinary person away from home.

When I try to boot I'm getting an error:

VFS: Can not open device "hda3" or unknown block (0,0): error -6
Please append correct "root=" boot option: here the available options:
Kerel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(O,0) 

-- 
Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[Joseph]

On 02/05/14 17:32, Joseph wrote:
>On 02/06/14 00:06, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 14:31:58 -0700, Joseph wrote:
>>
>>> I have to create new boot strap CD (as the one I have have old kernel)
>>> and get to they system first to change grub.conf.
>>
>>You don't need to change grub.conf to reboot with different options, just
>>press e and edit the options in place.
>>
>>
>>--
>>Neil Bothwick
>>
>>An expert is nothing more than an ordinary person away from home.
>
>When I try to boot I'm getting an error:
>
>VFS: Can not open device "hda3" or unknown block (0,0): error -6
>Please append correct "root=" boot option: here the available options:
>Kerel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(O,0)

Im my kernel-3.10.17 under File System I have enabled:
 - Second extended fs support
 - Ext3 journalling file system support
 - Ext3 extended attributes 

So I don't understand the error message. 
What else should I check in the kernel?

-- 
Joseph

[gentoo-user] Re: can not mount USB stick as user

[walt]

On 02/05/2014 04:32 PM, Joseph wrote:
> Kerel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(O,0)

Could that be the letter O instead of the digit 0?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can not mount USB stick as user

[Joseph]

On 02/05/14 17:00, walt wrote:
>On 02/05/2014 04:32 PM, Joseph wrote:
>> Kerel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(O,0)
>
>Could that be the letter O instead of the digit 0?

No, it is "0" I double checked.
Could it be that the hard drive is going?

-- 
Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can not mount USB stick as user

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 02/05/14 17:00, walt wrote:
>>
>> On 02/05/2014 04:32 PM, Joseph wrote:
>>>
>>> Kerel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on
>>> unknown-block(O,0)
>>
>>
>> Could that be the letter O instead of the digit 0?
>
>
> No, it is "0" I double checked.
> Could it be that the hard drive is going?

I don't think so. Could you show us your GRUB configuration?

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can not mount USB stick as user

[Joseph]

On 02/05/14 20:30, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 02/05/14 17:00, walt wrote:
>>>
>>> On 02/05/2014 04:32 PM, Joseph wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Kerel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on
>>>> unknown-block(O,0)
>>>
>>>
>>> Could that be the letter O instead of the digit 0?
>>
>>
>> No, it is "0" I double checked.
>> Could it be that the hard drive is going?
>
>I don't think so. Could you show us your GRUB configuration?
>
>Regards.
>-- 
>Canek Peláez Valdés
>Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
>Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Here it is: grub.conf

default 0
timeout 30

title Gentoo Current Kernel
root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/kernel-current root=/dev/hda3


-- 
Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can not mount USB stick as user

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday 05 Feb 2014 20:02:00 Joseph wrote:
> On 02/05/14 20:30, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> >On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 02/05/14 17:00, walt wrote:
> >>> On 02/05/2014 04:32 PM, Joseph wrote:
> >>>> Kerel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on
> >>>> unknown-block(O,0)
> >>> 
> >>> Could that be the letter O instead of the digit 0?
> >> 
> >> No, it is "0" I double checked.
> >> Could it be that the hard drive is going?
> >
> >I don't think so. Could you show us your GRUB configuration?
> >
> >Regards.
> 
> Here it is: grub.conf
> 
> default 0
> timeout 30
> 
> title Gentoo Current Kernel
> root (hd0,0)
> kernel /boot/kernel-current root=/dev/hda3

Shouldn't that hda3 in the kernel line be sda3?

-- 
Regards
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can not mount USB stick as user

[Alan McKinnon]

On 06/02/2014 08:19, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 Feb 2014 20:02:00 Joseph wrote:
>> On 02/05/14 20:30, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:19 PM, Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 02/05/14 17:00, walt wrote:
>>>>> On 02/05/2014 04:32 PM, Joseph wrote:
>>>>>> Kerel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on
>>>>>> unknown-block(O,0)
>>>>>
>>>>> Could that be the letter O instead of the digit 0?
>>>>
>>>> No, it is "0" I double checked.
>>>> Could it be that the hard drive is going?
>>>
>>> I don't think so. Could you show us your GRUB configuration?
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>
>> Here it is: grub.conf
>>
>> default 0
>> timeout 30
>>
>> title Gentoo Current Kernel
>> root (hd0,0)
>> kernel /boot/kernel-current root=/dev/hda3
> 
> Shouldn't that hda3 in the kernel line be sda3?
> 


No, he said earlier in the thread that this is an ancient box using the
old deprecated IDE subsystem.

His fstab refers to drives as hd?



-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can not mount USB stick as user

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday 06 Feb 2014 14:30:24 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 06/02/2014 08:19, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Wednesday 05 Feb 2014 20:02:00 Joseph wrote:
--->8
> >> Here it is: grub.conf
> >> 
> >> default 0
> >> timeout 30
> >> 
> >> title Gentoo Current Kernel
> >> root (hd0,0)
> >> kernel /boot/kernel-current root=/dev/hda3
> > 
> > Shouldn't that hda3 in the kernel line be sda3?
> 
> No, he said earlier in the thread that this is an ancient box using the
> old deprecated IDE subsystem.
> 
> His fstab refers to drives as hd?

Yes, I saw that after I hit Send. (So what else is new?)

Seems to me that too many things need updating before Joseph can switch to the 
latest thing in init systems.

Maybe he should go back to his last working system (from backup?), go through 
his kernel config piecemeal, setting sensible options, and generally bring the 
box up to date. Then he can start experimenting with the latest ideas. (Sorry 
Joseph, I don't mean to talk about you as though you weren't here!)

I forget: how many years is it since the ancient /dev/hd? scheme was 
superseded and deprecated?

-- 
Regards
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can not mount USB stick as user

[J. Roeleveld]

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On 6 February 2014 16:09:32 CET, Peter Humphrey <peter@prh.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>On Thursday 06 Feb 2014 14:30:24 Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 06/02/2014 08:19, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>> > On Wednesday 05 Feb 2014 20:02:00 Joseph wrote:
>--->8
>> >> Here it is: grub.conf
>> >> 
>> >> default 0
>> >> timeout 30
>> >> 
>> >> title Gentoo Current Kernel
>> >> root (hd0,0)
>> >> kernel /boot/kernel-current root=/dev/hda3
>> > 
>> > Shouldn't that hda3 in the kernel line be sda3?
>> 
>> No, he said earlier in the thread that this is an ancient box using
>the
>> old deprecated IDE subsystem.
>> 
>> His fstab refers to drives as hd?
>
>Yes, I saw that after I hit Send. (So what else is new?)
>
>Seems to me that too many things need updating before Joseph can switch
>to the 
>latest thing in init systems.
>
>Maybe he should go back to his last working system (from backup?), go
>through 
>his kernel config piecemeal, setting sensible options, and generally
>bring the 
>box up to date. Then he can start experimenting with the latest ideas.
>(Sorry 
>Joseph, I don't mean to talk about you as though you weren't here!)
>
>I forget: how many years is it since the ancient /dev/hd? scheme was 
>superseded and deprecated?
>
>-- 
>Regards
>Peter

Not sure. I switched my last machine over to the sd-scheme 2 holidays (sometime in 2012) ago. (It's a netbook I only use during holidays as a picture store and viewer)

--
Joost
-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can not mount USB stick as user

[Alan McKinnon]

On 06/02/2014 17:09, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Thursday 06 Feb 2014 14:30:24 Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 06/02/2014 08:19, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>>> On Wednesday 05 Feb 2014 20:02:00 Joseph wrote:
> --->8
>>>> Here it is: grub.conf
>>>>
>>>> default 0
>>>> timeout 30
>>>>
>>>> title Gentoo Current Kernel
>>>> root (hd0,0)
>>>> kernel /boot/kernel-current root=/dev/hda3
>>>
>>> Shouldn't that hda3 in the kernel line be sda3?
>>
>> No, he said earlier in the thread that this is an ancient box using the
>> old deprecated IDE subsystem.
>>
>> His fstab refers to drives as hd?
> 
> Yes, I saw that after I hit Send. (So what else is new?)
> 
> Seems to me that too many things need updating before Joseph can switch to the 
> latest thing in init systems.
> 
> Maybe he should go back to his last working system (from backup?), go through 
> his kernel config piecemeal, setting sensible options, and generally bring the 
> box up to date. Then he can start experimenting with the latest ideas. (Sorry 
> Joseph, I don't mean to talk about you as though you weren't here!)
> 
> I forget: how many years is it since the ancient /dev/hd? scheme was 
> superseded and deprecated?


Dim memory tells me it's somewhere around 2006/7?

I agree with your suggested approach. Joseph should first get world
fully updated and synced, then switch the kernel disk system over to the
new framework, verify all that as working nicely, and only then activate
systemd. Like Canek said, systemd doesn't magically get installed and
them just work. It runs at too low a level for that to happen in all cases.




-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can not mount USB stick as user

[Joseph]

On 02/06/14 21:19, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>On 06/02/2014 17:09, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>> On Thursday 06 Feb 2014 14:30:24 Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> On 06/02/2014 08:19, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday 05 Feb 2014 20:02:00 Joseph wrote:
>> --->8
>>>>> Here it is: grub.conf
>>>>>
>>>>> default 0
>>>>> timeout 30
>>>>>
>>>>> title Gentoo Current Kernel
>>>>> root (hd0,0)
>>>>> kernel /boot/kernel-current root=/dev/hda3
>>>>
>>>> Shouldn't that hda3 in the kernel line be sda3?
>>>
>>> No, he said earlier in the thread that this is an ancient box using the
>>> old deprecated IDE subsystem.
>>>
>>> His fstab refers to drives as hd?
>>
>> Yes, I saw that after I hit Send. (So what else is new?)
>>
>> Seems to me that too many things need updating before Joseph can switch to the
>> latest thing in init systems.
>>
>> Maybe he should go back to his last working system (from backup?), go through
>> his kernel config piecemeal, setting sensible options, and generally bring the
>> box up to date. Then he can start experimenting with the latest ideas. (Sorry
>> Joseph, I don't mean to talk about you as though you weren't here!)
>>
>> I forget: how many years is it since the ancient /dev/hd? scheme was
>> superseded and deprecated?
>
>
>Dim memory tells me it's somewhere around 2006/7?
>
>I agree with your suggested approach. Joseph should first get world
>fully updated and synced, then switch the kernel disk system over to the
>new framework, verify all that as working nicely, and only then activate
>systemd. Like Canek said, systemd doesn't magically get installed and
>them just work. It runs at too low a level for that to happen in all cases.
>
>-- 
>Alan McKinnon
>alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

I'm running on this box linux-3.10.17-gentoo so it is fairly new. I updated my world 1-month ago.
I usually update every three months. First backup system, if there are no major issues after a week or so I upgrade few other system and if everything goes smooth I 
upgrade the main system with the same three.

Is is possible to have packages without "systemd" flag.
I was just rebuilding 
gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon

and it wants to pull-in: sys-apps/systemd-208-r2
and this conflicts with udev.

I'm not switching to systemd anytime soon, got burned recently and have no time to learn new configuration settings. 

-- 
Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can not mount USB stick as user

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 02/06/14 21:19, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>
>> On 06/02/2014 17:09, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thursday 06 Feb 2014 14:30:24 Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 06/02/2014 08:19, Peter Humphrey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday 05 Feb 2014 20:02:00 Joseph wrote:
>>>
>>> --->8
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here it is: grub.conf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> default 0
>>>>>> timeout 30
>>>>>>
>>>>>> title Gentoo Current Kernel
>>>>>> root (hd0,0)
>>>>>> kernel /boot/kernel-current root=/dev/hda3
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Shouldn't that hda3 in the kernel line be sda3?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, he said earlier in the thread that this is an ancient box using the
>>>> old deprecated IDE subsystem.
>>>>
>>>> His fstab refers to drives as hd?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, I saw that after I hit Send. (So what else is new?)
>>>
>>> Seems to me that too many things need updating before Joseph can switch
>>> to the
>>> latest thing in init systems.
>>>
>>> Maybe he should go back to his last working system (from backup?), go
>>> through
>>> his kernel config piecemeal, setting sensible options, and generally
>>> bring the
>>> box up to date. Then he can start experimenting with the latest ideas.
>>> (Sorry
>>> Joseph, I don't mean to talk about you as though you weren't here!)
>>>
>>> I forget: how many years is it since the ancient /dev/hd? scheme was
>>> superseded and deprecated?
>>
>>
>>
>> Dim memory tells me it's somewhere around 2006/7?
>>
>> I agree with your suggested approach. Joseph should first get world
>> fully updated and synced, then switch the kernel disk system over to the
>> new framework, verify all that as working nicely, and only then activate
>> systemd. Like Canek said, systemd doesn't magically get installed and
>> them just work. It runs at too low a level for that to happen in all
>> cases.
>>
>> --
>> Alan McKinnon
>> alan.mckinnon@gmail.com
>
>
> I'm running on this box linux-3.10.17-gentoo so it is fairly new. I updated
> my world 1-month ago.
> I usually update every three months. First backup system, if there are no
> major issues after a week or so I upgrade few other system and if everything
> goes smooth I upgrade the main system with the same three.
>
> Is is possible to have packages without "systemd" flag.
> I was just rebuilding gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon
>
> and it wants to pull-in: sys-apps/systemd-208-r2
> and this conflicts with udev.
>
> I'm not switching to systemd anytime soon, got burned recently and have no
> time to learn new configuration settings.

As I said in the other thread, you need to set the openrc-force USE
flag for gnome-settings-daemon. Again, this is not really supported,
it will result in reduced functionality, and somethings will probably
fail.

And since most of the underlying infrastructure of Xfce is really
GNOME, this probably will happen with more and more packages in the
future, as more and more things start using the more sane and advanced
functionality of logind.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can not mount USB stick as user

[Randy Barlow]

On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 14:19:35 -0500, Alan McKinnon  
<alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dim memory tells me it's somewhere around 2006/7?

What about DIMM memory? Get it? Get it?

OK, I'll go back to my corner now…

-- 
R

Re: [gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 17:32:13 -0700, Joseph wrote:

> >You don't need to change grub.conf to reboot with different options,
> >just press e and edit the options in place.

> When I try to boot I'm getting an error:
> 
> VFS: Can not open device "hda3" or unknown block (0,0): error -6

You can change GRUB settings from the GRUB menu, before you try to boot
the kernel, press e as in my previous post.

It seems you are getting into a mess with the systemd switch and trying
all sorts of things at random. The old rule of "when you find yourself in
a hold, stop digging" applies here.

Stop making changes in the hope of getting things working, when you could
be making them worse to the extent that your system will still be broken
when you fix the original problem. Go back to the systemd wiki page and
follow it carefully, making sure you both understand and complete each
step, otherwise I see things getting worse for you.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

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Re: [gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[Joseph]

On 02/06/14 09:09, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>On Wed, 5 Feb 2014 17:32:13 -0700, Joseph wrote:
>
>> >You don't need to change grub.conf to reboot with different options,
>> >just press e and edit the options in place.
>
>> When I try to boot I'm getting an error:
>>
>> VFS: Can not open device "hda3" or unknown block (0,0): error -6
>
>You can change GRUB settings from the GRUB menu, before you try to boot
>the kernel, press e as in my previous post.
>
>It seems you are getting into a mess with the systemd switch and trying
>all sorts of things at random. The old rule of "when you find yourself in
>a hold, stop digging" applies here.
>
>Stop making changes in the hope of getting things working, when you could
>be making them worse to the extent that your system will still be broken
>when you fix the original problem. Go back to the systemd wiki page and
>follow it carefully, making sure you both understand and complete each
>step, otherwise I see things getting worse for you.
>
>
>-- 
>Neil Bothwick
>
>Consciousness: that annoying time between naps.

I copied an old kernel config file from /boot did "make oldconfig" enable
"systemd" in the kernel
put the grub.conf "... init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd"
and it booted OK but I have no X display, no network :-/

I just realized that "systemd" it is almost like learning configuring new OS.
I have no time for this so I'm back pedaling to udev :-/

-- 
Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] can not mount USB stick as user

[gottlieb]

On Wed, Feb 05 2014, Joseph wrote:

> Thank you for correction.  You are correct I would need to switch to
> new systemd.
> I think for now I'll go back to udev as I'm afraid something might not
> work after switching :-/

Two comments.

1.  Canek is *very* helpful on systemd issues.

2.  If you have /usr on the same filesystem as /, then switching to
    systemd is really not hard

    A.  Set some kernel options (see the gentoo wiki).

    B.  Set some use flags.
        i.  At least -consolekit and systemd
        ii. This might be automatic if you use a systemd subprofile
            For example I use default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/gnome/systemd

    C.  Do a world update.

Once I merged / and /usr and did the above, systemd more or less worked
right away.  I did tweak it some later, but was able to read/send mail
and use gnucash for my checking account on day 1.  Note that I picked a
conversion day when I knew canek would be available.

If /usr is split from /, I believe Canek can guide you through.
However, I have no experience with that (initramfs) so can't give a
testimonial.

In any event the wiki https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd is helpful.
For one thing it would have pointed out the need to tell the kernel
to use systemd as init (the wiki has both grub and grub invocations).

Good luck!
allan