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[217.169.3.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xl18sm9453814wib.9.2013.12.10.15.40.58 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:40:59 -0800 (PST) From: Mick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Something is pulling in gnome-base Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 23:40:32 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.10.17-gentoo; KDE/4.10.5; x86_64; ; ) References: <201312071017.06217.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <201312071147.43401.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20131210152532.GA2211@waltdnes.org> In-Reply-To: <20131210152532.GA2211@waltdnes.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4180394.Kr9eROijcf"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201312102340.45069.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 6e153e2e-09ad-4fb1-b692-94f03e02649a X-Archives-Hash: cae6244d8226c91569dc948d1a36767c --nextPart4180394.Kr9eROijcf Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday 10 Dec 2013 15:25:32 Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sat, Dec 07, 2013 at 11:47:41AM +0000, Mick wrote >=20 > > On Saturday 07 Dec 2013 11:27:50 Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 11:03:00 +0000 > > >=20 > > > Mick wrote: > > > > It used to be the case that setting -gnome globally would be > > > > sufficient, without having to manually mask packages. I had > > > > gstreamer in pidgin to be able to get sound. I'm guessing that I > > > > need gstreamer in pidgin to be able to set up a voice call in gtalk. > > > >=20 > > > > Is it the case that now one has to install gnome-base to be able to > > > > use gstreamer? > > >=20 > > > Seems so, you'll need to check with upstream or with the code for more > > > details; but it is just one small package though. > >=20 > > Sure, today it is just gnome-base, tomorrow I could end up *having* > > to install systemd or whatever RHL and their developers have deemed > > appropriate for your average desktop system. I've masked the two > > you suggested for now. >=20 > The GNOME people have now made dbus a hard-coded dependancy of the > latest gtk+. systemd can't be far behind. I've had dbus masked since > it arrived approximately the same time as HAL. Here's what I get when > trying to update gtk+ I always thought that dbus is useful on a desktop system that is used to ru= n,=20 errm ... applications, and it doesn't violate the *nix design philosophy. = As=20 far as I understand it is only trying to be an IPC manager. I seem to reca= ll=20 that Poettering and co tweaked something in libdbus, but my knowledge is qu= ite=20 limited on all things Gnome. Gnome devs decided in late 2012 to *not* make systemd a hard coded dependen= cy,=20 but look where we are now. Without systemd needed/desirable functionality = for=20 a Gnome desktop won't work. So, let's say that I tend to be sceptical on w= hat=20 might be used next as the thin end of the wedge. =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart4180394.Kr9eROijcf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAABAgAGBQJSp6Z9AAoJELAdA+zwE4YeB8UIAJidTU2UEJi89jiWA91lkFbe NyswywQVQ8ebeMef6rA0l4LYUM6Nlt+chi3+ua0lbBvCmOpwgEQNH6yPf0cO0VRA r7KoIX2USCZHxgewe2R/WItc0P7heX+Sgg6bCPyB3T0J8LNPnF5KHI2sRyeQiLpN HXYtiO5Dgj8tZmbq+R83ceAw3wXRQeSwv9qehIZefsFGU7cwx+fI3yYPmO3coF4b UyR/Ie9eQMuOdiwp1KZANhFksdKi0kfgDbBTYfzkYvJU5qRQoMeoQynI64dT/lfo 3uyRkmanw7Jg2Ryy3z7oiPpk1CdLcJq/lgGJV32Qbnkvp/JrV24/KWgQ74vlyGQ= =/ryR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4180394.Kr9eROijcf--