From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCAE1387AB for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2013 23:31:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 19EE1E0A8E; Fri, 1 Nov 2013 23:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.15.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF822E0A86 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2013 23:31:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gentoomobile.silviosiefke.de ([176.5.151.173]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Md4le-1VLPXO3imA-00IA75 for ; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 00:31:45 +0100 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 00:31:41 +0100 From: Silvio Siefke To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrade Question Message-Id: <20131102003141.915fc28a030832afd35abc24@web.de> In-Reply-To: <527411AF.5090705@gmail.com> References: <20131101151923.680d670c81f61d79b182c4a4@web.de> <527411AF.5090705@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:/ensm9ebMYPraBdYhip97FjYWgT+CGS74uZy4aPZgVvrqNhId0Y xpKYiHxTTw8HrWSuDB+QoWdUvhtHe+b0Odr8ZQA7TDt1JoTrhIbY0mtsrIdeKuwCKO8olMh 0GL2P+VnJOtEF4TL4PIfUHhUy8fYcE98tvLzJhuESOUl6Q2LL2+XjjT60Hb89fdCUZMniUj wsey+Fwl1n77L89Q0s+9w== X-Archives-Salt: 34ac3350-44d4-4e07-a033-a247a7897fc2 X-Archives-Hash: ca1caec7e4ef30cce0d65f0943b0721b Hello, On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 22:40:15 +0200 Alan McKinnon wrote: > Thsi is not the first time you ask the question "Why does package X > need to be rebuilt?" Every time you want to know this, run emerge > again with the -t option, it shows the dependency tree and that shows > you why the package is being rebuilt. Yes that's right & I'm sorry that I nerve. Maybe i change to Arch, i has installed on other Netbook and run without Problems and for a binary System is fast. > In this specific case, it's poppler. > > Poppler is the second most annoying package in the universe (first is > icu). The way it is coded and built, every tiny little change seems to > cause API/ABI changes and means that everything using it must be > rebuilt. What uses poppler? Almost everything that tries to deal with > pdf, and that is half of app-text and app-office. That's just how it > is. > > Look in the ebuilds for libreoffice, inkscape and xournal. Each one of > them has a DEPEND something like this: > > >=app-text/poppler-0.16:=[xpdf-headers(+),cxx] Yes i have see that and has find out that poppler is the problem. > Notice the ":=" in there, that's a sub-slot operator and it triggers a > rebuild of libreoffice everytime poppler is upgraded. Your emerge > output shows that poppler is to be upgraded and that's why > libreoffice now needs to be upgraded too. If you don't upgrade it, it > might be broken (or maybe not, it's almost impossible to tell). Dont > blame libreoffice, blame the poppler devs and tell them to get their > act together and stop changing stuff every other day. I has run libreoffice without problems, but i not use the pdf function in libreoffice. I write and print :) . I deal at moment with Abiword and Gnumeric. I think its enough so that i should delete libreoffice. Then only Webkit of GTK, QT and GCC which need more as one hour. > You also need to deal with this. > You masked libreoffice-4.1.2.3 but it's also still installed. That is > inconsistent; either unmask it and rebuild or leave it masked and > downgrade. Yes i mask bigger package when i saw in @world and not see why should run upgrade. I know Gentoo is rolling release, but in some things must not really be or? Thanks for teaching about poppler. I not know thats so important. And what do ICU? Its language files or? So again im sorry i nerve i know, but thats we can say so: Social Contacts important :) I find funny because the bigger Programs or important Stuff like kernel has never and in panic, and so small program like poppler make panic. When someone say size is important, hhh they not know what they say. Thank you & Greetings Silvio