From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5471381F3 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2013 04:17:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4ABE9E0963; Wed, 9 Oct 2013 04:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DAA5E0932 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2013 04:16:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f169.google.com with SMTP id wp4so312394obc.28 for ; Tue, 08 Oct 2013 21:16:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=RrSblC7SHgR3YTR76AJT47gCnz92+gzilNKfXOghwoE=; b=PM+BZIKNkFJC8cNbuv9ed5wYZAtTISEhrjwDINctYZ5QuQmCVq/lT423nRLgN8GsSI zgIljMiSQA7qTlDBSvTOFswBp5jYbd4Me1evrJkCC7h0goYHm+jEF1rbTMFjd0+hzCKx YKOnrJwBtHO6yhH4E516x6DQyJhdoeTZbq0RWLwyw7uSP5S2OnxB+gB5AOWIdOCaHkam sSK9xfk4T+Ti0sxymbJVf0UIvM6vKfmd+SfnPbzIGopLbsUPr0GZY0Y8uwbEzt8eylwv aek+1FNrM8F+Tbizq1GySYoZJxVvpGq080dXMp9Q3MsZi2H4x8V4I9C0/wywL4UQ9B2A PvwQ== X-Received: by 10.182.49.166 with SMTP id v6mr4001231obn.13.1381292218372; Tue, 08 Oct 2013 21:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux1 (cpe-76-187-91-128.tx.res.rr.com. [76.187.91.128]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id it7sm8983560obb.11.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 08 Oct 2013 21:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Sender: William Hubbs Received: by linux1 (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 08 Oct 2013 23:16:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 23:16:54 -0500 From: William Hubbs To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 Message-ID: <20131009041654.GA11577@linux1> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <5246079E.7090406@gmail.com> <524761B4.60805@gmail.com> <20130929052937.GA30380@waltdnes.org> <201309290925.06893.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <5247E4C2.5040502@gmail.com> <52480720.7070704@googlemail.com> <52480902.9040305@gmail.com> <52481602.6020305@googlemail.com> <52534BC7.9020701@gmail.com> <52544AE4.4060701@googlemail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ibTvN161/egqYuK8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <52544AE4.4060701@googlemail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: 988bf7a7-0fc1-4d7b-9e6d-2c427536bc92 X-Archives-Hash: 442170653e557ee47153169d51f43ec0 --ibTvN161/egqYuK8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 08:11:48PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > Am 08.10.2013 02:03, schrieb walt: > > On 09/29/2013 04:58 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > > >> As much as I hate systemd > > My Alzheimer's prevents me from remembering your reasons for hating systemd. > > Would you *very* briefly refresh my memory, please? > > > > > > > simple: one tool to do one job. text output to pipe into other tools. > Small is better. I'm not a strong systemd hater or anything, but this is my concern about the way it is designed as well; process 1 is way too complex. There is some interest in s6 [1], which is now in ~arch on amd64 and x86. It seems to be a pretty simple design. We haven't written anything for it yet, but it may be able to be integrated into OpenRC to provide service supervision, which is the main feature systemd offers, in my opinion, which we do not have in our current OpenRC setup. William [1] http://www.skarnet.org/software/s6 --ibTvN161/egqYuK8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlJU2LYACgkQblQW9DDEZTiR7ACeLF9b6iHSb43hopkvaDWNjxI+ hkgAoJhECd7nIpgJ6TqbUljDPb+yUGM6 =PG+i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ibTvN161/egqYuK8--