From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9B51381F3 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 04:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B57EE0C2F; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 04:14:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.182]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE7FE0C23 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 04:14:19 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjgFABK/CFFsoXsL/2dsb2JhbABEukWESRdzgh8BBTocMwshExIPBSU3G4d2wS2NYYJIYQONfogOhX6IcIFegxM X-IPAS-Result: AjgFABK/CFFsoXsL/2dsb2JhbABEukWESRdzgh8BBTocMwshExIPBSU3G4d2wS2NYYJIYQONfogOhX6IcIFegxM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="29387519" Received: from 108-161-123-11.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO waltdnes.org) ([108.161.123.11]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2013 00:11:06 -0400 Received: by waltdnes.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 30 Sep 2013 00:14:08 -0400 From: "Walter Dnes" Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 00:14:08 -0400 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 Message-ID: <20130930041408.GA3849@waltdnes.org> References: <20130928003220.GF23408@server> <20130928160159.GA4247@linux1> <20130928190441.GB11317@acm.acm> <20130928211702.46eda062@digimed.co.uk> <20130928210938.GD11317@acm.acm> <20130928233750.55b2683a@digimed.co.uk> <20130929120743.GC3161@acm.acm> <52485106.9070403@googlemail.com> <20130929220615.GB335@waltdnes.org> <5248B0F6.2060504@googlemail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5248B0F6.2060504@googlemail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: d19fb590-81f8-4e98-a6a6-c715cff2d7b1 X-Archives-Hash: dbd7a794136acafd6d2e87c458a91812 On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 01:00:06AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote > Am 30.09.2013 00:06, schrieb Walter Dnes: > > > * Everybody's single-NIC machine came up with eth0 for AGES, until Kay > > Seivers broke udev. And calling the new setup "predictable" is > > George Orwell 1984 doublespeak. Let's see you walk up to an unknown > > machine and "predict" what the NIC is going to come up as. > and you could predict with the old setup? > If think these new names are as stupid as it gets, but I had enough pain > in the past with multi-nic boxes shuffling eth0, eth1, ethn+1... > randomly on reboots. That was fun. If the udev people had made "net ifnames=0" the default, and allowed the small percentage of multi-nic machine admins to set "net.ifnames=1", this would not have been an issue. Some corner case exotic setups require complex solutions... no ifs/ands/ors/buts. All the complaining you hear is from the other 99% who's setup worked just fine with the simple solution, suddenly finding the complex solution rammed down their throats. > > * Separate /usr worked fine for AGES, until... Do you see a pattern > > developing here? > > > seperate /usr has stopped working fine AGES AGO. Just some setups were > lucky enough not to stumble over the wreckage and fall into the shards. I.e. the 99% who don't need initramfs before today. Some corner case exotic setups require complex solutions... no ifs/ands/ors/buts. All the complaining you hear is from the other 99% who's setup worked just fine with the simple solution, suddenly finding the complex solution rammed down their throats. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications