From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79CCF1381F3 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 02:52:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F199E0CCD; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 02:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07790E0CBC for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 02:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4832833EE8D for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 02:51:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.614, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.65, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IT23ZBjPRwkP for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 02:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D32E33EE8A for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 02:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VQTaL-0008W3-IS for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 04:51:45 +0200 Received: from wsip-174-76-82-7.no.no.cox.net ([174.76.82.7]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 04:51:45 +0200 Received: from boxcars by wsip-174-76-82-7.no.no.cox.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2013 04:51:45 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: =?UTF-8?B?wrtRwqs=?= Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: some of the stuff in /usr that's become a problem Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 21:51:35 -0500 Organization: none Message-ID: <20130929215135.76ac0cf1@fuchsia.remarqs.net> References: <5248DBDF.2070902@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: wsip-174-76-82-7.no.no.cox.net X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.17; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-Archives-Salt: 83df23b9-df3b-4495-b3fd-86060d7d3d7b X-Archives-Hash: 0a0a80fbd8f90077f358e9c4549d79c0 On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:03:11 -0400 Greg Woodbury wrote: > One of the most obvious things that broke booting with a > seperate /usr is not GNOMEs fault, but GRUB 2's fault. > > the move of /bin to /usr/bin (for things like cp,mv,ln,ls) came after > the breakage of /usr, but is symptomatic of some distros cavalier > attitudes to the problem. > > /usr/lib/udev..... > /usr/lib/systemd..... > > were both placed in /usr despite objections from a number of folks. > > So claims that udev and systemd are not responsible are not true. > > /usr/lib/e2initrd-helper was placed in /usr despite objections. > /usr/lib/libdevmapper* was moved despite objections... > /usr/lib/liblvm2* helpers were placed in /usr despite objections... > > There were deliberate placements of "new" or updated libraries > in /usr that were known ahead of time that would break the use of a > separate /usr filesystem. > > It was pointed out quite plainly at the time, and the placements were > made anyway, dismissing the concerns are "mere historical artifacts" > or "clinging to ancient and outmoded traditions." What were the reasons given for those changes at the time?