From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C0E1381F3 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 18:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 10DC9E0EAB; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 18:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.digimed.co.uk (82-69-83-178.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.69.83.178]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1470E0E4F for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 18:41:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from digimed.co.uk (shooty.digimed.co.uk [192.168.1.8]) by mail.digimed.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E154F218E6 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:41:25 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:41:25 +0100 From: Neil Bothwick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 Message-ID: <20130929194125.2c8f33ba@digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <524761B4.60805@gmail.com> References: <20130927222109.GD23408@server> <5246079E.7090406@gmail.com> <20130927223916.GE23408@server> <52460D42.2080109@gmail.com> <20130928003220.GF23408@server> <20130928160159.GA4247@linux1> <5247128D.3030801@gmail.com> <20130928205308.547335bf@digimed.co.uk> <5247550D.5010200@gmail.com> <20130928234621.57754558@digimed.co.uk> <524761B4.60805@gmail.com> Organization: Digital Media Production X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2-71-gace330 (GTK+ 2.24.20; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-GPG-Fingerprint: 7260 0F33 97EC 2F1E 7667 FE37 BA6E 1A97 4375 1903 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/XOteUTu6jA4MzC0/ViXn3ha"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: d3dc78a6-f7be-4802-b4ee-f0d1f6e1da7f X-Archives-Hash: 0f8816dca33b15be7ea6b9457a1a1e19 --Sig_/XOteUTu6jA4MzC0/ViXn3ha Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:09:40 -0500, Dale wrote: > > Read the kernel docs on initramfs, you'll then understand that this is > > not true. >=20 > Point is, they are the same to me. Both stand between grub and the > kernel and add yet one more point of failure. I'm not going to nitpck > on the difference between them since I view both in the same way.=20 They are not the same. Your stating that they are the same to you is effectively saying "I know what I believe, don't bother me with the real facts". > > Except you can never break Gentoo with a kernel update because, unlike > > some other distros, installing a new kernel does not uninstall the > > previous one. No matter how badly wrng a kernel update goes, you can > > always hit reset then select the old one from the GRUB menu - > > reinstallation doesn't come into it. >=20 > Provided that the old one works tho right? What if I update and it > breaks more than one thing? Then what?=20 That's got nothing to do with the kernel, initramfs or separate /usr. Once init is running, all that is history, it's done its job. If something subsequently fails, it has nothing to do with mounting / and /usr (which is all the initramfs does). > > This isn't even as close as comparing apples and oranges. > To ME, a init thingy is a init thingy. That's why I call them all init > thingys. To ME, both are apples. One may be green and another red but > both are still apples.=20 Please, don't ever offer to feed me :-) --=20 Neil Bothwick Computer apathy error: don't bother striking any key. --Sig_/XOteUTu6jA4MzC0/ViXn3ha Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.21 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlJIdFUACgkQum4al0N1GQNm6gCgyu20ljofogsgghrF5++VZjsL xjYAn1IxJcMNzkq17ocZZJnRLZgbqtiQ =wFNk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/XOteUTu6jA4MzC0/ViXn3ha--