From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52DC51381F3 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 22:46:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A03B0E0CFD; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 22:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.digimed.co.uk (82-69-83-178.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.69.83.178]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73AC8E0B6C for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 22:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from digimed.co.uk (shooty.digimed.co.uk [192.168.1.8]) by mail.digimed.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C67E123BEE for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 23:46:21 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 23:46:21 +0100 From: Neil Bothwick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01 Message-ID: <20130928234621.57754558@digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5247550D.5010200@gmail.com> References: <20130927222109.GD23408@server> <5246079E.7090406@gmail.com> <20130927223916.GE23408@server> <52460D42.2080109@gmail.com> <20130928003220.GF23408@server> <20130928160159.GA4247@linux1> <5247128D.3030801@gmail.com> <20130928205308.547335bf@digimed.co.uk> <5247550D.5010200@gmail.com> Organization: Digital Media Production X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2-71-gace330 (GTK+ 2.24.20; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-GPG-Fingerprint: 7260 0F33 97EC 2F1E 7667 FE37 BA6E 1A97 4375 1903 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Sig_/b8rBLmCICAKkNm8/YJ/GDFS"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: e6b2e3c5-bb1a-40b2-9175-b99188b75fbf X-Archives-Hash: ba67be59c7891043ee7476b8b29c62e4 --Sig_/b8rBLmCICAKkNm8/YJ/GDFS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:15:41 -0500, Dale wrote: > Neil Bothwick wrote: > > Mandrake used an initrd, not the same as an initramfs, which is > > directly supported by the kernel. > Whichever. Same shoes, different color is all. Read the kernel docs on initramfs, you'll then understand that this is not true. > > Good luck trying to find something else that doesn't use an init*. > Thing is, those others are a LOT faster to install. Heck, I got > Mandrake down to like 30 minutes from booting CD to booting off the hard > drive and logging in and that was a COMPLETE install too. I installed > Kubuntu for my brother and while not Gentoo, he doesn't have issues.=20 > Kubuntu takes care of the init thingy, NOT ME. If it did break, > reinstall and go back to surfing. It fails on Gentoo, I'm stuck. I'm > installing something and it won't be spending a good day to two days > installing Gentoo. Except you can never break Gentoo with a kernel update because, unlike some other distros, installing a new kernel does not uninstall the previous one. No matter how badly wrng a kernel update goes, you can always hit reset then select the old one from the GRUB menu - reinstallation doesn't come into it. > It seems folks think I just don't like new stuff. I don't mind new > stuff. I use new stuff quite often. I just don't like using stuff that > breaks, switching to something else to get away from it, then turn right > around and have the same broken junk thrown back at me. Except it's not the same. How long ago did you switch? You've been around here for a while, I suspect your Mandrake experience with with a 2.4 kernel, which didn't have initramfs available, and initrd. The 2.6 kernel's initramfs was developed to address the problems with initrds. This isn't even as close as comparing apples and oranges. > I'm sure I can find something that > will boot in somewhat short order. Question is, what will it be? vmlinuz.old :) --=20 Neil Bothwick Power outage at a department store yesterday, Twenty people were trapped on the escalators. --Sig_/b8rBLmCICAKkNm8/YJ/GDFS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.21 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlJHXD0ACgkQum4al0N1GQNTLACgrzhbL/07m1o3UeDeNlKO1bM2 eiAAoI6OIuyycYy4wMaSGRo6sXS00W1k =C8bb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/b8rBLmCICAKkNm8/YJ/GDFS--