From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402151381F3 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 869B1E09FE; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CD77E09D2 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 12:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (66-208-231-133.ubr01a.rte20201.pa.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [66.208.231.133]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M5Lyp-1UDn3j3SdL-00yonn; Wed, 17 Jul 2013 08:49:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 07:49:32 -0500 From: Bruce Hill To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager Message-ID: <20130717124931.GM3387@server> References: <51E43EDE.3090905@gmail.com> <20130716182003.GH3387@server> <20130717103545.303eb040@hactar.digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:pHJyPHETCrFcDIZfP1S7XPzuACdgm80tW4SgAMA6isT sdX1fOyBKha0Vm1H9jwMNgC3DP8caBEO6EWJaP6DcIJ2OMJAxK nCfxdu/oxoxCHEfVbsqAKDvMY6vDCinNfdWk8WFeYiBftHaWTc ni6vCWil3PnYgvTlh6IZ9DSN6RL65hnIvqwfQxXz+LeVI2fNeF ap2U5nvjpOjdwWqp9BlKR9BztZLBurw9CQYzUkOuqOHczVxget df5VRL2jbwq+7xyYs0IAVnWWaeCUXEBM9U2ucFMAxZ3ePb2VD4 e8q3roG2prYVsjWAsej02pOgFrHtzic5R41+a0a+AqMvZW2Nw= = X-Archives-Salt: d7685e05-2492-4cb9-954f-e4abc6c6f2aa X-Archives-Hash: e14edcd93dd09c3659c67da5e6528133 On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 01:39:36PM +0200, András Csányi wrote: > On 17 July 2013 11:35, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:04:12 +0200, András Csányi wrote: > > > >> Ok. How is possible to get the post-install message of an ebuild > >> without re-emerge the package neither opening the log file? The man > >> page of emerge cannot say anything about it. > > > > Read the ebuild. > > I don't think this is a friendly solution in 2013. What would _you_ consider friendly? Gentoo is a source based Linux distribution. That means _all_ your software is built from source; however, it is _your_ responsibility to customize this software to make it work best for your computer's hardware, and your software usage. Gentoo is _not_ a binary distribution where every package has been built for the lowest common denominator of computer, so that it works on almost anyone's computer just by clicking the Install button, or some such {easy,friendly} solution. If you were to install software on another Linux distribution, for which there was no package prebuilt for that package manager, you would basically: download source untar source cd source-directory ./configure -help (and read the options) write your own build script with your options make make install (or whatever method for that software and distro) You would also be responsible for reading to find out where to install the software, what dependencies it requires, what permissions and groups should be used, etc. Gentoo has provided all this for you, but you must learn The Gentoo Way (TM) in order to Make It Work (TM). You seem to be lacking a proper understanding in that area. If you installed Gentoo using the Gentoo Handbook (why would you not?), then you should have read: 12. Where to go from here? And there you would read this sentence: You should definitely take a look at the next part of the Gentoo Handbook entitled Working with Gentoo which explains how to keep your software up to date, how to install more software, what USE flags are, how the Gentoo init system works, etc. There is a lot of information there, and a lot to learn. But I find that _most_ people _stop_ reading the Handbook at that point, and begin their learning by trial and error. That is acceptable, even friendly, but it might take you _much_longer_ to get that information than simply reading the book. If you hang out in #gentoo on FreeNode you will be able to learn a _lot_ of what you read on this mailing list in a much shorter time. In fact, you can log the channel, and use that as another option to _search_ for support answers. Often I will issue: grep wicd irclogs/#gentoo.log and maybe: grep postinst irclogs/#gentoo.log to find some answers. Then maybe that search will lead me to issue: awk '/iamben/ && /postinst/ { print }' irclogs/#gentoo.log because my previous search revealed that iamben gave a lot of answers concerning postinst and people got their question answered. Last but not least, there are search engines, such as Google. Just open your web browser to http://wwww.google.com and type "post-install message of an ebuild" and see if any of the results answers your question. The first hit for me was "Gentoo Development Guide: Messages", which for me was simple and easy to read, but might not be so for you if you have no experience reading/writing ebuilds. The second hit was "Gentoo Forums :: View topic - How to read emerge messages? (I ..." which gave 'friendly' answers to your question. (Which you already got on this list, also.) Gentoo is not considered a "user friendly" distro in 2013 by many people. The primary reason is that _most_ people have been trained to "point and click" but never _read_ anything. Those are the people for whom Mark Shuttleworth designed Ubuntu Linux. Gentoo wasn't designed for the "point and click" crowd. Read http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml to get a better idea of Gentoo's intended audience. Cheers, Bruce -- Happy Penguin Computers >') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ support@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting