Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and NetworkManager

[Bruce Hill <daddy@happypenguincomputers.com>]

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 01:39:36PM +0200, András Csányi wrote:
> On 17 July 2013 11:35, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 10:04:12 +0200, András Csányi wrote:
> >
> >> Ok. How is possible to get the post-install message of an ebuild
> >> without re-emerge the package neither opening the log file? The man
> >> page of emerge cannot say anything about it.
> >
> > Read the ebuild.
> 
> I don't think this is a friendly solution in 2013.

What would _you_ consider friendly? Gentoo is a source based Linux
distribution. That means _all_ your software is built from source; however, it
is _your_ responsibility to customize this software to make it work best for
your computer's hardware, and your software usage. Gentoo is _not_ a binary
distribution where every package has been built for the lowest common
denominator of computer, so that it works on almost anyone's computer just by
clicking the Install button, or some such {easy,friendly} solution.

If you were to install software on another Linux distribution, for which there
was no package prebuilt for that package manager, you would basically:

download source
untar source
cd source-directory
./configure -help (and read the options)
write your own build script with your options
make
make install
(or whatever method for that software and distro)

You would also be responsible for reading to find out where to install the
software, what dependencies it requires, what permissions and groups should be
used, etc.

Gentoo has provided all this for you, but you must learn The Gentoo Way (TM)
in order to Make It Work (TM). You seem to be lacking a proper understanding
in that area.

If you installed Gentoo using the Gentoo Handbook (why would you not?), then
you should have read: 12. Where to go from here? And there you would read this
sentence: You should definitely take a look at the next part of the Gentoo
Handbook entitled Working with Gentoo which explains how to keep your software
up to date, how to install more software, what USE flags are, how the Gentoo
init system works, etc.

There is a lot of information there, and a lot to learn. But I find that
_most_ people _stop_ reading the Handbook at that point, and begin their
learning by trial and error. That is acceptable, even friendly, but it might
take you _much_longer_ to get that information than simply reading the book.

If you hang out in #gentoo on FreeNode you will be able to learn a _lot_ of
what you read on this mailing list in a much shorter time. In fact, you can
log the channel, and use that as another option to _search_ for support
answers. Often I will issue:
grep wicd irclogs/#gentoo.log
and maybe:
grep postinst irclogs/#gentoo.log
to find some answers. Then maybe that search will lead me to issue:
awk '/iamben/ && /postinst/ { print }' irclogs/#gentoo.log
because my previous search revealed that iamben gave a lot of answers
concerning postinst and people got their question answered.

Last but not least, there are search engines, such as Google. Just open your
web browser to http://wwww.google.com and type "post-install message of an
ebuild" and see if any of the results answers your question. The first hit for
me was "Gentoo Development Guide: Messages", which for me was simple and easy
to read, but might not be so for you if you have no experience reading/writing
ebuilds. The second hit was "Gentoo Forums :: View topic - How to read emerge
messages? (I ..." which gave 'friendly' answers to your question. (Which you
already got on this list, also.)

Gentoo is not considered a "user friendly" distro in 2013 by many people. The
primary reason is that _most_ people have been trained to "point and click"
but never _read_ anything. Those are the people for whom Mark Shuttleworth
designed Ubuntu Linux.

Gentoo wasn't designed for the "point and click" crowd. Read
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml to get a better idea of Gentoo's
intended audience.

Cheers,
Bruce
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