From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8A81381F3 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A6B94E0B3E; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:34:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f171.google.com (mail-wi0-f171.google.com [209.85.212.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FFEAE0B1F for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 17:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f171.google.com with SMTP id l13so2063041wie.10 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:34:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id; bh=EE2l53PuPjq0039tEaRCMrkOL2fecGp7rc4EJsSrwDY=; b=i7ThLaT7Zksnq9+GLBgLtubXQU0AXJEifGmPCuMNnRT9MJrehUqHWcn23IyPEms2+X /yfR0zMQz2C1vmMrU4azNtFpkcKtLGSmtthTQ1FUvTNx6IDLcy97LFc6nXmwFKe44MH2 0mRWjUOnGq8aHz51GzMV/qQ13cpnumqE8Sku1LeN9hNrkFrkPrnmNzERcRTXLoLDUlof oS/mlXUgVi9FZCWVXgqYpWvDXac5ZKSwA1RkY6PWwalHNC9n6Clno/CQ798vHhaNqO4c hfUENIIUZqQNX0dWztqpsiiy454Wv/oG5bx/I3ihaZE/2ac+EyfSsEX4eft60g0oE+GP oZaw== X-Received: by 10.180.76.230 with SMTP id n6mr13374060wiw.28.1367170453959; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dell_xps.localnet (230.3.169.217.in-addr.arpa. [217.169.3.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id eu18sm5739971wid.1.2013.04.28.10.34.12 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:34:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Mick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:33:48 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.7.10-gentoo; KDE/4.10.1; x86_64; ; ) References: <20130418193224.GA3234@acm.acm> <517D5891.6070901@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <517D5891.6070901@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart7999626.3sLuDqgFdO"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201304281833.58830.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 7f2f6fdd-b136-4770-bc71-282c2c58efdb X-Archives-Hash: 8cd29ac2fbe40515608b87a6ecad4207 --nextPart7999626.3sLuDqgFdO Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sunday 28 Apr 2013 18:12:49 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 28/04/2013 18:11, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > >> What we complain about here is basic low-level software changes that > >>=20 > >> > affect much more than just their own little universe, and will do it > >> > ON ALL LINUX MACHINES NOW AND IN THE FUTURE. > >=20 > > The source is out there NOW AND IN THE FUTURE. If there is enough > > developers interested in maintaining something, it will be maintained; > > but you cannot force no developer to maintain nothing. >=20 > You keep saying this, over and over in many places for many reasons. >=20 > But it just is not true. >=20 > It's easy to get a dev to support something - you just ask them. >=20 > Have you ever asked a dev to support something you needed? Egocentric/maniac devs just listen to their own infallible desires, which=20 *they* call logic rather than the requests of their users. In such cases, those of us who have neither the capability nor the time to= =20 start coding the next fork which complies better with *nix design principle= s=20 and common sense, have to wait for some sensible solution to appear (e.g.=20 eudev) and run with that where available. Ultimately, if some other dev(s) create /better/ code than Poettering that= =20 closer matches the desires of many, I expect the monolithic=20 initrd+udev+systemd+what-ever will be ditched in favour of something more=20 flexible that suits a lot of us Gentoo users. I can't wait for this to happen sooner, but since I can't code I can only b= ut=20 hope. :-) =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart7999626.3sLuDqgFdO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAABAgAGBQJRfV2GAAoJELAdA+zwE4YetHgH/1PoEcDJ61vSJa8wAqcr24oK q2k1HOr9lmIIMrt68hnwb+dCeaHxzsppg6LfgWreiKka9fwBApjLExF/Vs9frrJB eIOuku5n1Cwn9d7RHm44d8dZxyEOz9EbzAnDmNZ5ICKuKOjPPR4PlKI8YX1tnogq dVZb/wzu3mYAu3C6kD65UmZ4QdSOgpiVXg2oII6XEphnUiHF6e0p5A8OnISvM+qu FYyBe7vopgMxvsQGOPhhpJ6JmQ5m11eOLMAgZblUsfFkwW0akpdg0nEEVva1jfat FWBIG+gDA86UxF+Tr943BbX2314Gw4RjAp/0nCFGitJHgfl0+LwhhtdIhhVBYko= =cD4U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart7999626.3sLuDqgFdO--