From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23BAC1381F3 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 21:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C354FE0E26; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 21:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.182]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A51FE0DF8 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2013 21:55:12 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFFFpY5W/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEATocKAsLIRMSDwUlN4gLBgzBHQSNDlOCSGEDjX6IDoV+iHCBXoMT X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFFFpY5W/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEATocKAsLIRMSDwUlN4gLBgzBHQSNDlOCSGEDjX6IDoV+iHCBXoMT X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="8504034" Received: from 69-165-142-86.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO waltdnes.org) ([69.165.142.86]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2013 17:55:02 -0400 Received: by waltdnes.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 26 Apr 2013 17:54:38 -0400 From: "Walter Dnes" Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 17:54:38 -0400 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio Message-ID: <20130426215438.GA16569@waltdnes.org> References: <20130418193224.GA3234@acm.acm> <5170F203.3@gmail.com> <20130420093414.GA31686@waltdnes.org> <20130425191724.GA14098@waltdnes.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: 9793733d-8a30-45ac-9c6e-78d894af19a4 X-Archives-Hash: 814f101c78684ed903041423f9da4d3c On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 04:34:03PM +0800, Mark David Dumlao wrote > YES it is entirely about a few megabytes you don't like. A few > megabytes that OTHER people choose to put on THEIR computers to NO > effect on yours. Even your sig betrays your bias. I don't go around telling other people what religion / politics / OS libs / etc they should use. I don't really care about soft defaults since I run with USE='-*". But when unnecessary stuff is made into a *HARD WIRED DEOENDANCY*, I draw the line. What I fear is that if there is no yelling/screaming *NOW*, then stuff like systemd/pulseaudio/dbus etc will eventually become mandatory. At one point I was one of only a few people on this list *NOT* using HAL. BTW, those of you who have pam and dbus masked out, like me, please raise your hand. Speaking of dbus, my latest issue is with gnumeric spreadsheet, of all things. It seems that they're switching from gconf to GSettings, which apparently requires dbus. See https://developer.gnome.org/gio/unstable/tools.html I ran into this with the latest update of gnumeric. A couple of additional menu bars show up, which pushes the bottom of graphs and spreadsheets off the bottom of the screen. I can hide them each time I open the spreadsheet but they reappear next time I open the sheet. And while I'm at it, why does gnumeric-1.12.0-r1 now require ghostscript? I am seriously considering switching to openoffice. -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications