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[212.70.208.152]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s2sm15281580wib.4.2013.04.21.04.53.05 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 21 Apr 2013 04:53:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Mick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 12:52:40 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.7.10-gentoo-r1; KDE/4.10.1; x86_64; ; ) References: <20130418193224.GA3234@acm.acm> <20130421112856.70761a26@digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20130421112856.70761a26@digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2389252.d61WrUfdcP"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201304211252.54560.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: dbb2f1be-bffb-4e1c-bda5-de1f435f2732 X-Archives-Hash: b432802668c5e2052e044e52558c5677 --nextPart2389252.d61WrUfdcP Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sunday 21 Apr 2013 11:28:56 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 20:15:49 -0500, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > > So normal systems require PA. That *you* perhaps don't require PA is > > another thing altogether. >=20 > I think the important point from the original post, which appears to have > been lost, is that removing PA is a trivial (by Gentoo standards) task. > Negate one USE flag and update world and the system just keeps working > without PA. I discovered the opposite, that enabling it is just as easy. >=20 > That means it does really matter whether it is enabled or not in the > default profiles, because anyone running a completely default system is > wasting their time using Gentoo. >=20 > On for desktops=20 I'm running 'default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop' on this box and the pulseaud= io=20 USE flag is inactive as far as portage is concerned. None of my packages a= re=20 bringing in pulseaudio either: ~ $ euse -I pulseaudio global use flags (searching: pulseaudio) ************************************************************ [- ] pulseaudio - Adds support for PulseAudio sound server Installed packages matching this USE flag:=20 app-accessibility/espeak-1.45.04 app-accessibility/speech-dispatcher-0.7.1-r1 kde-base/kmix-4.10.1-r1 kde-base/phonon-kde-4.10.1 media-libs/libao-1.1.0-r1 media-libs/libsdl-1.2.15-r2 media-libs/phonon-4.6.0-r1 media-plugins/gst-plugins-meta-0.10-r8 media-sound/mpg123-1.14.4 media-video/ffmpeg-0.10.7 media-video/mplayer-1.1-r1 media-video/vlc-2.0.5 net-libs/ptlib-2.10.10 net-misc/freerdp-1.1.0_pre20121004-r1 net-voip/ekiga-4.0.0-r1 www-client/chromium-26.0.1410.43 local use flags (searching: pulseaudio) ************************************************************ no matching entries found I guess that the gnome/kde make.profiles may include this USE flag in their= =20 defaults? > and off for servers and other minimal profiles seems > eminently sensible and all of this argument makes bike-shedding seem like > important stuff. =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart2389252.d61WrUfdcP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAlFz0xYACgkQVTDTR3kpaLbMxwCdFfanCz1Loqv9WxEph3ePSVs/ 8fIAn0SyDQoNnTKz3WT0IGqw7Lz7G2IS =9yTd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2389252.d61WrUfdcP--