[gentoo-user] ntfs-3g problem (I suppose) - locking system

[gentoo-user] ntfs-3g problem (I suppose) - locking system

[Francisco Ares]

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Hello.

During some months now, this machine was (and still is, sometimes)
suffering from a strange progressive lock down. It always has begun with
the web browser, passing to the whole X environment, and finally I could
not even use a console.

After several trial and error actions, as no log entry could give any hint
on what is going on, it seems that I found something consistent.

This machine is a dual-boot Linux/Windows, as my wife once in a while needs
to work on a Windows O.S. .  The lock down starts when she saves a file
received by e-mail in a ntfs-3g mounted partition, so that file would also
be accessible whenever she uses Windows.

The reason why I suspect of ntfs-3g is that when the lock down starts, that
is, if only the web browser locks, just unmounting (and mounting back
later) that partition, recovers the web browser functionality. Sometimes,
when the lock down has already affected the whole graphic environment, but
I still may use a console, again unmounting that same partition also
unlocks everithing.

I have already tried to emerge ntfs-3g with different use flags, but the
problem persists. Even built a new kernel and re-emerged ntfs-3g after
that. Now ntfs-3g package is using its own "fuse".

I would really appreciate any hints on what to do or where to look for any
more information on this subject.  Perhaps I am still looking at an effect,
and not the cause.

Thanks
Francisco

-- 
"If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you
and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have
one idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas."
- George Bernard Shaw

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Re: [gentoo-user] ntfs-3g problem (I suppose) - locking system

[Randolph Maaßen]

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2013/3/15 Francisco Ares <frares@gmail.com>

> Hello.
>
> During some months now, this machine was (and still is, sometimes)
> suffering from a strange progressive lock down. It always has begun with
> the web browser, passing to the whole X environment, and finally I could
> not even use a console.
>
> After several trial and error actions, as no log entry could give any hint
> on what is going on, it seems that I found something consistent.
>
> This machine is a dual-boot Linux/Windows, as my wife once in a while
> needs to work on a Windows O.S. .  The lock down starts when she saves a
> file received by e-mail in a ntfs-3g mounted partition, so that file would
> also be accessible whenever she uses Windows.
>
> The reason why I suspect of ntfs-3g is that when the lock down starts,
> that is, if only the web browser locks, just unmounting (and mounting back
> later) that partition, recovers the web browser functionality. Sometimes,
> when the lock down has already affected the whole graphic environment, but
> I still may use a console, again unmounting that same partition also
> unlocks everithing.
>
> I have already tried to emerge ntfs-3g with different use flags, but the
> problem persists. Even built a new kernel and re-emerged ntfs-3g after
> that. Now ntfs-3g package is using its own "fuse".
>
> I would really appreciate any hints on what to do or where to look for any
> more information on this subject.  Perhaps I am still looking at an effect,
> and not the cause.
>
> Thanks
> Francisco
>
> --
> "If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you
> and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have
> one idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas."
> - George Bernard Shaw


Have you had a look at dmesg after lock / unlock?

driver oriented problems should show up here

-- 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards

Randolph Maaßen

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Re: [gentoo-user] ntfs-3g problem (I suppose) - locking system

[Francisco Ares]

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2013/3/15 Randolph Maaßen <r.maassen60@gmail.com>

> 2013/3/15 Francisco Ares <frares@gmail.com>
>
>> Hello.
>>
>> During some months now, this machine was (and still is, sometimes)
>> suffering from a strange progressive lock down. It always has begun with
>> the web browser, passing to the whole X environment, and finally I could
>> not even use a console.
>>
>> After several trial and error actions, as no log entry could give any
>> hint on what is going on, it seems that I found something consistent.
>>
>> This machine is a dual-boot Linux/Windows, as my wife once in a while
>> needs to work on a Windows O.S. .  The lock down starts when she saves a
>> file received by e-mail in a ntfs-3g mounted partition, so that file would
>> also be accessible whenever she uses Windows.
>>
>> The reason why I suspect of ntfs-3g is that when the lock down starts,
>> that is, if only the web browser locks, just unmounting (and mounting back
>> later) that partition, recovers the web browser functionality. Sometimes,
>> when the lock down has already affected the whole graphic environment, but
>> I still may use a console, again unmounting that same partition also
>> unlocks everithing.
>>
>> I have already tried to emerge ntfs-3g with different use flags, but the
>> problem persists. Even built a new kernel and re-emerged ntfs-3g after
>> that. Now ntfs-3g package is using its own "fuse".
>>
>> I would really appreciate any hints on what to do or where to look for
>> any more information on this subject.  Perhaps I am still looking at an
>> effect, and not the cause.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Francisco
>>
>> --
>> "If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you
>> and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have
>> one idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas."
>> - George Bernard Shaw
>
>
> Have you had a look at dmesg after lock / unlock?
>
> driver oriented problems should show up here
>
> --
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards
>
> Randolph Maaßen
>
>

Yes, I did, and nothing shows up. Looks like dmesg has also been affected.

Thanks
Francisco

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Re: [gentoo-user] ntfs-3g problem (I suppose) - locking system

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:18:03 -0300, Francisco Ares wrote:

> This machine is a dual-boot Linux/Windows, as my wife once in a while
> needs to work on a Windows O.S. .  The lock down starts when she saves
> a file received by e-mail in a ntfs-3g mounted partition, so that file
> would also be accessible whenever she uses Windows.

Have you checked the filesystem for corruption/inconsistency in Windows
and with ntfsck?


-- 
Neil Bothwick

A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer.

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Re: [gentoo-user] ntfs-3g problem (I suppose) - locking system

[Francisco Ares]

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2013/3/15 Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>

> On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:18:03 -0300, Francisco Ares wrote:
>
> > This machine is a dual-boot Linux/Windows, as my wife once in a while
> > needs to work on a Windows O.S. .  The lock down starts when she saves
> > a file received by e-mail in a ntfs-3g mounted partition, so that file
> > would also be accessible whenever she uses Windows.
>
> Have you checked the filesystem for corruption/inconsistency in Windows
> and with ntfsck?
>
>
> --
> Neil Bothwick
>
> A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer.
>


Yes, I have checked for file corruption and bad sectors a few days ago, and
just a few moments ago, just to make sure. After a little while, already
using Linux, the system was beginning to freeze, so I have unmounted that
same partition, and things got back to normal - that's how I am able to
write this.

Thanks
Francisco
-- 
"If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you
and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have
one idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas."
- George Bernard Shaw

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Re: [gentoo-user] ntfs-3g problem (I suppose) - locking system

[Mick]

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On Friday 15 Mar 2013 01:18:03 Francisco Ares wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> During some months now, this machine was (and still is, sometimes)
> suffering from a strange progressive lock down. It always has begun with
> the web browser, passing to the whole X environment, and finally I could
> not even use a console.
> 
> After several trial and error actions, as no log entry could give any hint
> on what is going on, it seems that I found something consistent.
> 
> This machine is a dual-boot Linux/Windows, as my wife once in a while needs
> to work on a Windows O.S. .  The lock down starts when she saves a file
> received by e-mail in a ntfs-3g mounted partition, so that file would also
> be accessible whenever she uses Windows.
> 
> The reason why I suspect of ntfs-3g is that when the lock down starts, that
> is, if only the web browser locks, just unmounting (and mounting back
> later) that partition, recovers the web browser functionality. Sometimes,
> when the lock down has already affected the whole graphic environment, but
> I still may use a console, again unmounting that same partition also
> unlocks everithing.
> 
> I have already tried to emerge ntfs-3g with different use flags, but the
> problem persists. Even built a new kernel and re-emerged ntfs-3g after
> that. Now ntfs-3g package is using its own "fuse".
> 
> I would really appreciate any hints on what to do or where to look for any
> more information on this subject.  Perhaps I am still looking at an effect,
> and not the cause.
> 
> Thanks
> Francisco

It could be a number of things, but would start with the basics, checking that 
there is adequate space in the partition and that the fs has been defragmented 
(Windows 7 defrag application is quite effective and for WinXP there is 
mydefrag).  While you have booted into MSWindows, you might as well run 
chkdsk.

Other than that, uou could try the 'big_writes' mount option in ntfs-3g 
which may make a difference.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] ntfs-3g problem (I suppose) - locking system

[Francisco Ares]

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2013/3/15 Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>

> On Friday 15 Mar 2013 01:18:03 Francisco Ares wrote:
> > Hello.
> >
> > During some months now, this machine was (and still is, sometimes)
> > suffering from a strange progressive lock down. It always has begun with
> > the web browser, passing to the whole X environment, and finally I could
> > not even use a console.
> >
> > After several trial and error actions, as no log entry could give any
> hint
> > on what is going on, it seems that I found something consistent.
> >
> > This machine is a dual-boot Linux/Windows, as my wife once in a while
> needs
> > to work on a Windows O.S. .  The lock down starts when she saves a file
> > received by e-mail in a ntfs-3g mounted partition, so that file would
> also
> > be accessible whenever she uses Windows.
> >
> > The reason why I suspect of ntfs-3g is that when the lock down starts,
> that
> > is, if only the web browser locks, just unmounting (and mounting back
> > later) that partition, recovers the web browser functionality. Sometimes,
> > when the lock down has already affected the whole graphic environment,
> but
> > I still may use a console, again unmounting that same partition also
> > unlocks everithing.
> >
> > I have already tried to emerge ntfs-3g with different use flags, but the
> > problem persists. Even built a new kernel and re-emerged ntfs-3g after
> > that. Now ntfs-3g package is using its own "fuse".
> >
> > I would really appreciate any hints on what to do or where to look for
> any
> > more information on this subject.  Perhaps I am still looking at an
> effect,
> > and not the cause.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Francisco
>
> It could be a number of things, but would start with the basics, checking
> that
> there is adequate space in the partition and that the fs has been
> defragmented
> (Windows 7 defrag application is quite effective and for WinXP there is
> mydefrag).  While you have booted into MSWindows, you might as well run
> chkdsk.
>
> Other than that, uou could try the 'big_writes' mount option in ntfs-3g
> which may make a difference.
> --
> Regards,
> Mick
>


I didn't try to defragment that partition, yet.  I can't believe that
ntfs-3g would not take care of fragmentation, but I will do a defrag just
in case ;-)

Will try that "big_writes" too.

Thanks
Francisco
-- 
"If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you
and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have
one idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas."
- George Bernard Shaw

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