From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B864B1385DC for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 00:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A35A321C02C; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 00:39:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ee0-f45.google.com (mail-ee0-f45.google.com [74.125.83.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0EBB3E062B for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 00:39:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ee0-f45.google.com with SMTP id b57so3254352eek.32 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:39:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :organization:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/otEcH1c7tAFaLgptk07WFQuWGBJL8ktIVZWRiwW+Gw=; b=Ra+IN/Nj6HxBu7arhAtBuN26Z9gpTUEJTUcUKSGWmeaD8e21FHoFsN/pOPQYgbduwT orftersHp9EhaD1/KPPAYhoP+l2FLgxNYI5ThRpEax+z3O6xZPwHM8P7Gi/eBxZTjIFI gIyEvZfR8uXr8gJ6DCY4hnc2BRjh4ZYqVPnuUj3dv+ntayfPp/lIgYgZeFcZ1FQBvt2T U7htsqw+4wNrHSGKbS4xyva4+rCPUo8rtNUdIXIskMTdUvUMnNadpilppR7IdJ00Tff/ qyOgim/8HWCPlcrMoYgUCB+AbdVnsWsIc0utHUoQu0QCSvLDr/7QzPFyJU6aazqLH6aU UwUQ== X-Received: by 10.14.203.2 with SMTP id e2mr65894027eeo.20.1358815156446; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:39:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from khamul.example.com (196-210-202-243.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.210.202.243]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d3sm24628494eeo.13.2013.01.21.16.39.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:39:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 02:38:45 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Udev-197 : 4 show-stoppers Message-ID: <20130122023845.0748f0fc@khamul.example.com> In-Reply-To: <50FD98D7.2040508@gmail.com> References: <20130120085143.GA1059@ca.inter.net> <50FBB908.5010700@persimplex.net> <50FC8148.3040701@gmail.com> <50FC8900.4000907@gmail.com> <20130121115738.7ee0d23a@khamul.example.com> <50FD98D7.2040508@gmail.com> Organization: Internet Solutions X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.14; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 3b15fe80-ad2d-4842-96ba-2399158b2805 X-Archives-Hash: 32770b39a87b1ee69926d925c7b76c2f On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:36:55 -0600 Dale wrote: > Well, I have seen servers run for YEARS with no reboots. Most of > those admit, they don't upgrade them at all. One several years ago > said he hadn't even blew out the dust in that time. It was over 5 > years since he even logged into it. He kept his in a closet. One of > those was on the old show TheScreenSavers on Tech TV. Oh don't get me wrong I have servers with 5 year uptimes too. And they don't get kernel upgrades, so whatever security fixes have been done in the past 5 years those machines do not have. Uptime is not a ragging point anymore :-) Sadly, I *can't* reboot them. I can only replace them in the hardware replace cycle - the change manager wants to know from me what the risk is of doing the change. I tell him honestly there's an elevated risk of the drives not spinning up and stops working. He just smiles and clicks the "deny" button on my change form :-) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com