[gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

[gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

[Raffaele BELARDI]

On 01/07/2013 08:35 AM, Dale wrote:
> As I understand it, /dev/hdxx is no longer
> supported on current kernels.  All hard drives are /dev/sdxx and optical
> drives are /dev/sr0(1,2,3,4 etc).

Not true, I'm using /dev/hd for all my PATA HD and DVD drives and
/dev/sd for the SATA HDs. Systems are ~amd64.

At the time /dev/sr was introduced I tried it and had problems on the
DVD burner (I don't recall which ones, maybe just related to the missing
/dev/dvd link) so I decided to stick with the old driver.

Is there any advantage to switch to the SATA driver also for PATA drives?

raffaele

Re: [gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

[Dale]

Raffaele BELARDI wrote:
> On 01/07/2013 08:35 AM, Dale wrote:
>> As I understand it, /dev/hdxx is no longer
>> supported on current kernels.  All hard drives are /dev/sdxx and optical
>> drives are /dev/sr0(1,2,3,4 etc).
> Not true, I'm using /dev/hd for all my PATA HD and DVD drives and
> /dev/sd for the SATA HDs. Systems are ~amd64.
>
> At the time /dev/sr was introduced I tried it and had problems on the
> DVD burner (I don't recall which ones, maybe just related to the missing
> /dev/dvd link) so I decided to stick with the old driver.
>
> Is there any advantage to switch to the SATA driver also for PATA drives?
>
> raffaele
>


Did you see this in menuconfig:

< > ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support **(DEPRECATED)**

The last entry on the change log I found on my 3.5.3 kernel was this:

 * 4.61  Jan 22, 2004    - support hardware sector sizes other than 2kB,
 *              Pascal Schmidt <der.eremit@email.de>

If you look at the ide.txt file, it still shows kernel version 2.6 so it
has not been updated to show it is in a series 3 kernel.  Since this is
depreciated, which generally means no longer maintained, you are using
very old drivers that are no longer maintained.  According to the
changelog, it has not been touched since 2004. 

I would think one huge advantage to switching would be drivers that are
maintained.  It may work but what if it has a problem that you don't see
yet?

I'm sure there are people on this list that are MUCH more familiar with
kernels that can answer your question with even more details but I found
that in less than five minutes on my own system.  I didn't even need
google.  So, unless some other more knowledgeable kernel guru comes
along, I would suggest you start using drivers that are not so
outdated.  I only have a regular desktop and my life doesn't rely on it
but I would not use drivers that far out of date that are marked
depreciated.  I certainly wouldn't when newer and maintained drivers are
so easily available in the same kernel.

Hope that helps.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 03:01:57 -0600
Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> Since this is
> depreciated, which generally means no longer maintained

<nitpick>

The word you want is "deprecated".

"depreciated" is something else entirely, it's what your employer does
to the book value of your company car over 5 years to get the value
down to nothing.

</nitpick>


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Re: [gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 03:01:57 -0600
> Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Since this is
>> depreciated, which generally means no longer maintained
> <nitpick>
>
> The word you want is "deprecated".
>
> "depreciated" is something else entirely, it's what your employer does
> to the book value of your company car over 5 years to get the value
> down to nothing.
>
> </nitpick>
>
>

Point taken.  Seems software type stuff has its own word and my fingers
need to get used to that.  lol 

I can't believe it has been that long tho.  I'm getting old.  O_O

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 03:59:30 -0600
Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 03:01:57 -0600
> > Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Since this is
> >> depreciated, which generally means no longer maintained
> > <nitpick>
> >
> > The word you want is "deprecated".
> >
> > "depreciated" is something else entirely, it's what your employer
> > does to the book value of your company car over 5 years to get the
> > value down to nothing.
> >
> > </nitpick>
> >
> >
> 
> Point taken.  Seems software type stuff has its own word and my
> fingers need to get used to that.  lol 
> 
> I can't believe it has been that long tho.  I'm getting old.  O_O


hehehehe, you and me both :-)






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Re: [gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am Mittwoch, 9. Januar 2013, 11:32:03 schrieb Alan McKinnon:
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 03:01:57 -0600
> 
> Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Since this is
> > depreciated, which generally means no longer maintained
> 
> <nitpick>
> 
> The word you want is "deprecated".
> 
> "depreciated" is something else entirely, it's what your employer does
> to the book value of your company car over 5 years to get the value
> down to nothing.
> 
> </nitpick>

wrong. To get the value down to 1€/$/whatever... so you can keep it in your 
books.
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Re: [gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

[felix]

On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 11:32:03AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 03:01:57 -0600
> Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Since this is
> > depreciated, which generally means no longer maintained
> 
> <nitpick>
> 
> The word you want is "deprecated".
> 
> "depreciated" is something else entirely, it's what your employer does
> to the book value of your company car over 5 years to get the value
> down to nothing.
> 
> </nitpick>

"Depreciated" is perfectly cromulent in this instance.

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Re: [gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

[Walter Dnes]

On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 02:42:30PM -0800, felix@crowfix.com wrote
> On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 11:32:03AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 03:01:57 -0600
> > Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Since this is
> > > depreciated, which generally means no longer maintained
> > 
> > <nitpick>
> > 
> > The word you want is "deprecated".
> > 
> > "depreciated" is something else entirely, it's what your employer does
> > to the book value of your company car over 5 years to get the value
> > down to nothing.
> > 
> > </nitpick>
> 
> "Depreciated" is perfectly cromulent in this instance.

  You really think it's copacetic?

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Re: [gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:41:15 -0500
"Walter Dnes" <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 02:42:30PM -0800, felix@crowfix.com wrote
> > On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 11:32:03AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 03:01:57 -0600
> > > Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Since this is
> > > > depreciated, which generally means no longer maintained
> > > 
> > > <nitpick>
> > > 
> > > The word you want is "deprecated".
> > > 
> > > "depreciated" is something else entirely, it's what your employer
> > > does to the book value of your company car over 5 years to get
> > > the value down to nothing.
> > > 
> > > </nitpick>
> > 
> > "Depreciated" is perfectly cromulent in this instance.
> 
>   You really think it's copacetic?
> 

I never heard of copacetic till now, had to look it up.

What a wonderful word, I feel embiggened by it's correctness

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Re: [gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

[Frank Steinmetzger]

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On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:14:18AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> > > > > Since this is
> > > > > depreciated, which generally means no longer maintained
> > > > 
> > > > <nitpick>
> > > > 
> > > > The word you want is "deprecated".
> > > > 
> > > > "depreciated" is something else entirely, it's what your employer
> > > > does to the book value of your company car over 5 years to get
> > > > the value down to nothing.
> > > > 
> > > > </nitpick>
> > > 
> > > "Depreciated" is perfectly cromulent in this instance.
> > 
> >   You really think it's copacetic?
> > 
> 
> I never heard of copacetic till now, had to look it up.

Sorry to necropost, but I waited many a month for this opportunity, for I have
a nitpick to shoot back with:

> What a wonderful word, I feel embiggened by it's correctness
------------------------------------------------^

“it’s”, just like “he’s”, is a contraction with the verb “is”.
What you meant was “its”, meaning a posession belonging to “it”.

*runs, ducks and hides*


Depreciate, for me, is basically de- (which usually has a negative meaning)
and preciate, i.e. <gollum> ”making a precious” </gollum>). ;-)
But well, being a foreign speaker and a grammar n*zi, I might have an unfair
advantage about such thing.
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Re: [gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

[Raffaele BELARDI]

On 01/09/2013 10:01 AM, Dale wrote:
> < > ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support **(DEPRECATED)**
> 

Yes, I know it is unmaintained and deprecated, I'm looking for a
rational reason to move to the SATA driver when the PATA one works well
with my old drives. The PATA drives are probably going to die before the
PATA driver is moved out of the kernel (if ever) so I might as well wait
for the switch till I need new hardware, or not?

raffaele

Re: [gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

[Dale]

Raffaele BELARDI wrote:
> On 01/09/2013 10:01 AM, Dale wrote:
>> < > ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support **(DEPRECATED)**
>>
> Yes, I know it is unmaintained and deprecated, I'm looking for a
> rational reason to move to the SATA driver when the PATA one works well
> with my old drives. The PATA drives are probably going to die before the
> PATA driver is moved out of the kernel (if ever) so I might as well wait
> for the switch till I need new hardware, or not?
>
> raffaele
>


The drivers are NOT maintained IS the reason.  What if there is some
sort of bug that you do not know about?  That bug is not going to be
fixed because you are not using the correct drivers.  They have not been
updated for at least 8 or 9 years.  You really think nothing has been
improved in that time?  That no bugs have been found?  What if they drop
it from the kernel?  Are you going to stop upgrading the kernel too?  At
some point, you are going to have to update this. 

If it was a recent change, then it may be less risky.  Given the amount
of time it has not been maintained, you are just asking for trouble,
whatever that may be. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] PATA vs SATA kernel driver (was: 4 machines - no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd anymore)

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Am Mittwoch, 9. Januar 2013, 10:57:09 schrieb Raffaele BELARDI:
> On 01/09/2013 10:01 AM, Dale wrote:
> > < > ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support **(DEPRECATED)**
> 
> Yes, I know it is unmaintained and deprecated, I'm looking for a
> rational reason to move to the SATA driver when the PATA one works well
> with my old drives. The PATA drives are probably going to die before the
> PATA driver is moved out of the kernel (if ever) so I might as well wait
> for the switch till I need new hardware, or not?
> 
> raffaele

because every day there are changes in the kernel that might affect those old, 
deprecated and mostly unmaintained drivers. It is pretty certain that you will 
run into problems. 

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