From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37072138281 for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F005321C12B; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:16:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f52.google.com (mail-wg0-f52.google.com [74.125.82.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCE6E21C12D for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id 12so7275069wgh.7 for ; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:15:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id; bh=PyVjmGDFNN/Srwe273WJiZe/f9fPbUaSCuVnnIvYuXI=; b=irRdwncaE+QxrGoKalmgX8vbieqoKJaG5VYE+/UZSb0VozjILkw0pG5FY+ZUQQl0Uw u5BTUAYNklujDo1PIw3qLtfs3LqHEuS9SHi8UDr5Dlqy5WZvU0iudJm3JqHnQEXv/fGx v54uF1R8JwZt3r6xuX2G1LnWRe/cYgGI4lY0sEAJvCN1DTnRBsR1KL3shvE7iHd0iVon ml+QxBpYA7qX7wLTJR5zn62bmhZF+JP1D5N21e588GkEeyOoWb/sUMTIJcKxgGRxrpdT UMVSTIe4ovN33FIlxFFbvmuzxT3FapbI7cmFKy/lik2XiGeBE/1m4FBHDAof4YbNgA9d ngJA== X-Received: by 10.194.121.74 with SMTP id li10mr68368489wjb.5.1357229709295; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:15:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from dell_xps.localnet (230.3.169.217.in-addr.arpa. [217.169.3.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p2sm86064186wic.7.2013.01.03.08.15.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:15:07 -0800 (PST) From: Mick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone succeeded with kmail2? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:14:47 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.6.11-gentoo; KDE/4.9.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <1462406.jfzbT4ikfA@wstn> <20130103123352.096927f0@khamul.example.com> In-Reply-To: <20130103123352.096927f0@khamul.example.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart96948805.2dQCDKdaZd"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201301031614.48998.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: c352d12d-7c4b-40f5-99be-cbbe5684f9b8 X-Archives-Hash: baa08b0aaf2164baff8a8e27413fca7f --nextPart96948805.2dQCDKdaZd Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thursday 03 Jan 2013 10:33:52 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:43 +0000 >=20 > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > Hello list, > >=20 > > When kmail was upgraded to 4.9.3 last month it made a complete hash > > of my e- mail system. In the end I moved my user out of the way and > > created a new user. Importing the e-mails from a backup of the old > > version omitted large numbers of e-mails, including a lot of complete > > folders. I also noticed that kmail had not created a trash folder. >=20 > So the kdepim devs STILL haven't fixed that one? Oh dear. >=20 > tldr; longish post. Short version: Use something else. It's mail, not > software magic. >=20 > I ran into something much the same long ago with kamil2 > around the 4.3 or 4.5 era. Imports wouldn't work, akonadi was displaying > essentially random mails in random folders in no special order, and I > was losing mail. >=20 > Eventually, after much physical and spiritual pain, I figured that what > was really happening was probably akonadi importing the mail to > $SOMEWHERE and $AT_SOME_RANDOM_TIME would index it properly; it would > do this on the basis off $WHEN_IT_FELT_RIGHT_TO_DO_IT. >=20 > This trick works awesomely well for caching thumbnails of my video > collection for xbmc. It works less well for my mail. It's disastrous > when the whole process is not documented, when the user has no > visibility into it and no defined way of seeing what's going on, not > even a progress meter. The traditional way of handling such > asynchronous indexing problems is to provide an option where the user > can force a re-index and the system will just chug along doing it > displaying progress. If the mail app suspends itself while doing this, > well that's fine, at least it ends in a reasonable time. But, kdepim at > that stage had no such option. >=20 > One other thing I discovered back then: if I killed akonadi & kdepim > and rebooted out of sheer frustration, it would *throw* *away* all it's > temporary files form $SOMEWHERE as above and corrupt it's own database. > Leading to lost mail. If you just leave the damn thing alone for ages > and ages it eventually sorts itself out, but you can't see how far > along it is. >=20 > Such shoddy alpha-quality software shipped and billed as enterprise > production-ready was more than I could bear, so I just switched mail > client to claws-mail. >=20 > On 4.9.3 you are still experiencing something similar. Hmmm. Indicates > to me a high probability of a systemic problem with the projects > approach, something that is unlikely to ever get really fixed. In my > opinion kdepim2 is vastly over-engineered and an attempt to solve a > problem that does not actually exist. I recommend you use a different > mail app. >=20 > As I mentioned in the tldr, it's a mail app. There are many mail apps > and none are super-special. Thankfully, I'm still on kmail-1.13.7 and I am dreading the time that it wi= ll=20 no longer be available. I've used kmail for so many years now that everyth= ing=20 else I tried has been a great disappointment for me. Last time I tried to upgrade to kmail 2 some time early last year (for the = 4th=20 time) it made exactly the mess experienced by others, like: =2D duplicate/multiple messages when I tried to delete them =2D missing/disappearing messages =2D inability to show anything other than the Inbox folder on IMAP4 accounts I could swear that I waited for it to sync/resync, but I didn't leave the b= ox=20 running overnight to see if that would fix this problem. In all but one box I am not running a full KDE enchilada, so I don't know i= f=20 this has something to do with it. I just hope that new devs will eventuall= y=20 take over this KDEPIM farce and something sane will surface for those of us= =20 who still want/need to use a mail client. =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart96948805.2dQCDKdaZd Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIMyjCCBz0w ggUloAMCAQICAQAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAweTEQMA4GA1UEChMHUm9vdCBDQTEeMBwGA1UECxMV aHR0cDovL3d3dy5jYWNlcnQub3JnMSIwIAYDVQQDExlDQSBDZXJ0IFNpZ25pbmcgQXV0aG9yaXR5 MSEwHwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhJzdXBwb3J0QGNhY2VydC5vcmcwHhcNMDMwMzMwMTIyOTQ5WhcNMzMw MzI5MTIyOTQ5WjB5MRAwDgYDVQQKEwdSb290IENBMR4wHAYDVQQLExVodHRwOi8vd3d3LmNhY2Vy dC5vcmcxIjAgBgNVBAMTGUNBIENlcnQgU2lnbmluZyBBdXRob3JpdHkxITAfBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEW EnN1cHBvcnRAY2FjZXJ0Lm9yZzCCAiIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggIPADCCAgoCggIBAM4iwOJG few2KAdQlvKgM0CMS/E7Zj8x5WsCNtvWfPbxiI9OdzYFQZX5CfASz0aGc2C3bn7owFhkrs2wrUUX 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