From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC221381FB for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:56:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 23B9721C054; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.digimed.co.uk (82-69-83-178.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.69.83.178]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB96321C01D for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from digimed.co.uk (yooden.digimed.co.uk [192.168.1.6]) by mail.digimed.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 719E980039 for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:55:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:55:06 +0000 From: Neil Bothwick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? Message-ID: <20121226115506.591b1b25@digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5831746.pOTOnRtkDK@bluering> References: <20121218163332.7956f31a@khamul.example.com> <50D9D6E0.3000205@gmail.com> <874nja3vbv.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <5831746.pOTOnRtkDK@bluering> Organization: Digital Media Production X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0cvs51 (GTK+ 2.24.14; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-GPG-Fingerprint: 7260 0F33 97EC 2F1E 7667 FE37 BA6E 1A97 4375 1903 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/LC6sQT9ct8cN2X/mgZCEnWu"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: e41b2d09-d767-4de4-921a-5d35782628a9 X-Archives-Hash: 9d46f1edcc99665b82096f438a14066e --Sig_/LC6sQT9ct8cN2X/mgZCEnWu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:54:49 +1100, Paul Colquhoun wrote: > > Also, if you actually read the linked URL, it does explain it won't > > fail to boot. You do realize these are two different issues here, > > right? One is people saying that udev-181 will fail to boot, other is > > the issue described on the URL linked on the news item, which is > > about stuff in /usr breaking udev rules, which has been around for a > > long time and will *silently* fail. I remind you that "silently fail" > > implies that your system will still boot, even if it is affected by > > the issue. =20 > So, instead of fixing udev properly, by making the failures visible (as > they probably should have been from the start) or even re-queueing the > events to be run after the rule files are avaiable, the developers took > the easy (for them) way out, and told the rest of the world to do > things their way. That all makes sense, although it may well be harder to implement than to suggest. To be fair to the udev developers, we owe them nothing and they are free to take their project in whichever direction they like and spend their time on whatever features they choose to. If we don't like it we can fork it. If eudev works and provides a valid alternative to udev it will simply prove that the open source ecosystem works in a way that all those trying to avoid "upgrading" from Windows 7 to 8 can't even dream about. There is really no place for the insults and name calling, udev provided us with a great tool that we were happy to use for years, now it is moving in a direction we don't like we can either live with the change or do something about it. Walt chose the latter route and now the eudev guys are following suit - eudev may not be ready for use yet but the devs have already achieved a lot more that all the list complaint and insults ever will. --=20 Neil Bothwick Quantum leap: (adj.) literally, to move by the smallest amount theoretically possible. In advertising, to move by the largest leap imaginable (in the mind of the advertiser). There is no contradiction. --Sig_/LC6sQT9ct8cN2X/mgZCEnWu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlDa5ZoACgkQum4al0N1GQOaPwCgnnukVNISoMOdjh+oP8tUDM/R S2YAoJLW02ak6xeQBY2VSr/7VA8jtYmk =pzrM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/LC6sQT9ct8cN2X/mgZCEnWu--