From: Bruce Hill <daddy@happypenguincomputers.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:31:06 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121224233106.GN26547@server> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+czFiCzzz7XJJpEyCYYenQxkhn0PdcfjhJKTpp=4GKJMOTaPQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 05:23:13PM -0500, Michael Mol wrote:
>
> Then came the decision to move udev inside /usr, forcing the issue.
> Now, it'd been long understood that udev *itself* hadn't been broken.
> The explanation given as much as a year earlier was that udev couldn't
> control what *other* packages gave it for rules scripts. OK, that's
> not strictly udev's fault. That's the fault of packages being depended
> on at too early a stage in the boot process. And, perhaps, hotplug
> events for some devices _should_ be deferred until the proper
> resources for handling it are available. I can think of at least a few
> ways you could do that. And, yes, this was a problem systemd was
> facing, and wasn't finding a way out of. (Why? I still don't know.
> Maybe they didn't want to implement dependency declarations or demand
> that packages impement partial functionality to reduce initial
> dependencies.)
You're stumbling upon it ... just keep hashing it out.
The decision to write a new init system (systemd) and do things altogether
differently is exactly what caused your previously referred to train wreck.
And Kay Sievers collaborating with Lennart on this corrupted udev. Take those
two prima donnas out of the udev destruction, and no such init problem exists
today ... just as it didn't exist before then, for so many years.
Linus didn't tolerate what they did to module and firmware loading:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/2/303
and he placed the blame squarely on Lennart and Kay where it belongs. To quote
Linus Torvalds:
"What kind of insane udev maintainership do we have? And can we fix it?"
Bank on it ... he *will* keep these prima donnas from destroying it. There's
quite the historical precedent for such.
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2012-12-14 12:19 [gentoo-user] Anyone switched to eudev yet? Dale
2012-12-14 13:26 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2012-12-14 13:41 ` Dale
2012-12-14 14:04 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-14 14:25 ` Dale
2012-12-14 15:39 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-14 16:20 ` Tanstaafl
2012-12-14 17:34 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-14 19:02 ` Tanstaafl
2012-12-14 16:23 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-14 16:32 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-14 16:33 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-14 17:06 ` Dale
2012-12-14 16:52 ` Dale
2012-12-14 17:44 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-14 20:49 ` Dale
2012-12-14 15:01 ` [gentoo-user] " Mark Knecht
2012-12-14 15:48 ` Dale
2012-12-14 16:07 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-14 16:29 ` Dale
2012-12-14 16:53 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-14 17:14 ` Dale
2012-12-14 21:34 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-15 10:18 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-15 17:43 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-16 12:51 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-16 21:19 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2012-12-16 21:30 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-16 22:14 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-16 22:25 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2012-12-15 8:16 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-16 15:10 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-16 18:49 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-16 20:32 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-16 20:51 ` Dale
2012-12-17 0:26 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-17 5:44 ` Dale
2012-12-17 5:57 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-12-17 6:09 ` Dale
2012-12-17 6:24 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-12-17 6:44 ` Dale
2012-12-17 11:33 ` Kevin Chadwick
[not found] ` <CAA2qdGWkfmiQVAKb76wq57scQ-T5p2U7HE4VdN8BnTX0oZHS1g@mail.gmail.com>
2012-12-17 5:54 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-17 7:38 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-17 7:33 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-17 7:29 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-17 8:02 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-17 8:46 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-18 11:44 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-18 12:55 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-18 13:34 ` [Bulk] " Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-18 22:02 ` Marc Joliet
2012-12-19 18:48 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-19 21:42 ` Walter Dnes
2012-12-18 14:08 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-18 14:33 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-18 22:55 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-18 23:07 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-19 3:05 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-19 9:30 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-19 9:38 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-19 10:14 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-19 9:26 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-19 15:03 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-23 10:22 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-23 16:20 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-23 17:03 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-23 17:20 ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-12-23 17:44 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-23 17:53 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-23 18:06 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-23 20:39 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-24 1:27 ` Walter Dnes
2012-12-24 8:06 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-24 10:58 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-24 15:14 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-24 15:52 ` Dale
2012-12-24 23:09 ` William Kenworthy
2012-12-25 20:39 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-25 21:05 ` Dale
2012-12-26 21:35 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-27 23:46 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-25 11:33 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-24 15:10 ` [Bulk] " Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-24 15:20 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-27 19:43 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-27 19:59 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-27 20:07 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-27 20:14 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-24 6:55 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-24 12:58 ` Dale
2012-12-24 13:21 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-24 13:58 ` Dale
2012-12-24 15:06 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-24 15:27 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 15:56 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-24 16:00 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 16:11 ` Dale
2012-12-24 16:14 ` Dale
2012-12-24 16:34 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 17:02 ` Dale
2012-12-24 15:43 ` Dale
2012-12-24 16:29 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-24 17:00 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-25 12:10 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-25 12:46 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 13:22 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-25 16:40 ` Dale
2012-12-25 17:17 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-25 17:53 ` Dale
2012-12-25 18:54 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-25 22:49 ` Dale
2012-12-25 22:54 ` Paul Colquhoun
2012-12-25 23:12 ` Dale
2012-12-26 11:55 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-26 14:19 ` pk
2012-12-24 16:25 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-24 16:41 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-24 17:05 ` Dale
2012-12-24 17:15 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-24 18:58 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-25 1:54 ` Dale
2012-12-26 15:56 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-24 18:48 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-24 20:00 ` Dale
2012-12-24 20:15 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 21:23 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-24 22:36 ` Dale
2012-12-24 23:17 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 0:34 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25 2:00 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 2:33 ` Dale
2012-12-25 21:15 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-25 21:42 ` Dale
2012-12-25 22:07 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-24 23:04 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 0:29 ` »Q«
2012-12-25 0:54 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25 1:30 ` Dale
2012-12-25 2:13 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 16:51 ` Todd Goodman
2012-12-25 23:26 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-26 11:40 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-26 14:24 ` Todd Goodman
2012-12-26 17:03 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-26 17:22 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-26 20:34 ` Dale
2012-12-26 21:00 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25 2:03 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 2:38 ` Dale
2012-12-25 12:58 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 16:01 ` Dale
2012-12-26 16:01 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-26 20:42 ` Dale
2012-12-27 3:23 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-27 16:13 ` Dale
2012-12-27 16:24 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-27 17:46 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-27 18:15 ` Dale
2012-12-27 18:31 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-27 18:41 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-27 19:02 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-27 22:29 ` Dale
2012-12-29 0:43 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-27 16:28 ` [Bulk] " Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-27 18:22 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-27 18:40 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-27 20:16 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-27 20:59 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-27 22:37 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-28 4:20 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-28 14:10 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-28 14:21 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-26 21:31 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-25 21:19 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-25 22:00 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25 22:13 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-25 22:20 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25 23:04 ` Dale
2012-12-25 23:10 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25 23:56 ` Dale
2012-12-24 21:43 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-24 22:23 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 23:31 ` Bruce Hill [this message]
2012-12-24 23:58 ` Dale
2012-12-25 0:44 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 22:52 ` Dale
2012-12-24 22:11 ` Daniel Wagener
2012-12-25 3:56 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-25 7:38 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? -> what was wron with SysVInit? G.Wolfe Woodbury
2012-12-25 8:01 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-25 11:14 ` G.Wolfe Woodbury
2012-12-25 13:14 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-25 13:35 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-25 18:01 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27 0:45 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-27 1:14 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27 1:26 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27 16:00 ` pk
2012-12-27 23:24 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-28 18:15 ` pk
2012-12-28 18:55 ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-12-28 19:01 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-28 22:40 ` pk
2012-12-29 1:05 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-28 1:06 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-28 1:24 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 13:56 ` Joshua Murphy
2012-12-25 18:14 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-26 22:22 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-26 22:19 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-26 23:01 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-26 23:51 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-27 0:57 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27 16:29 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-27 23:38 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-28 18:53 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-28 19:14 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-28 20:17 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-28 20:36 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-29 3:48 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-28 23:23 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-29 1:06 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27 0:27 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-25 13:02 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 13:18 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-25 15:01 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-25 23:31 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-26 0:19 ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-26 2:16 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-26 3:24 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-26 17:13 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-26 18:47 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27 23:07 ` Alan McKinnon
2013-01-04 23:22 ` Mike Edenfield
2013-01-05 2:41 ` [Bulk] " Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-27 19:41 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-19 18:42 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-19 21:53 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-19 22:45 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-20 3:45 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-20 16:47 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-20 20:59 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-23 10:26 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-20 21:01 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-20 21:46 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-21 0:09 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-21 0:45 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-21 8:28 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-15 10:16 ` [gentoo-user] " pk
2012-12-14 16:17 ` Bruce Hill
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