From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F28B1381F3 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 23:18:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 87392E071D; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 23:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D10E9E0687 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 23:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (66-208-231-133.ubr01a.rte20201.pa.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [66.208.231.133]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lja2S-1TBkeu1w2i-00c0Qm; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 18:17:05 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:17:03 -0600 From: Bruce Hill To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? Message-ID: <20121224231703.GM26547@server> References: <20121218163332.7956f31a@khamul.example.com> <87txrd6pb3.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121223182037.1553813f@khamul.example.com> <87bodk7lb6.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121224085528.56f535ec@khamul.example.com> <50D85167.9060309@gmail.com> <20121224204817.335033c6@khamul.example.com> <50D8B467.4080100@gmail.com> <50D8D8D6.8090701@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50D8D8D6.8090701@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:yFEcfAs9HoEJumxOGT6bGYA1FgC1B1drfReZZiJR0E6 TWFTmpE1R1b0U1DcFWSMYmPEzy/eDGRkZtlEuD+qWxTB6xCilF /LNnd0O8GSB0l1lBHkH8Jxl/2k6q114gbsWn18iLx+deZD8wGw fltrp9CkB8hLD4MKkDAPEs+UePzpasW4dWMpcCtJefoS47leU3 ++7gQZJPanAQn53s26S2PU9LpP6DDt0N+e+6EWkRqKWMRw2am1 G7ooNaCG0s/cs6cWA+Ra87M/GSRT7Yi9pgTWmN76R4JnM6ZRBT 2SJ4K3uCgOAioPjZ4Jgiu7tLGjjcQcucDopDwPxwyng2+alPWc bf7GNicSdS/Dqq3emvxrYv7Qw2l3n1r1mCCZT1gBx X-Archives-Salt: 8cedf9e1-b204-4354-be94-98f0174e28ea X-Archives-Hash: 1a975300f8d53d61591a645a61d79d50 On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 04:36:06PM -0600, Dale wrote: > > One of the reasons I left Mandriva was because of the init thingy. If I > wanted one and liked having one, I would have never switched to Gentoo. > The init thingy was not the only reason but it was one of them. The > reason I do not want one is because it adds one more point of failure. > In my past experience, it failed me a lot on Mandriva. I don't want to > go backwards to failure. I want to keep moving forward, which is why I > chose Gentoo, no init thingy needed unless you put / on something like > LVM or encrypt it or something. That is why I put everything but /boot > and / on LVM here, to avoid having to use a init thingy. I have done a > lot to avoid that thing then it turns out, someone is trying to push it > on me anyway. > > If I am forced to use a init thingy, the first time it fails and I can't > fix it, I'm moving to something else. If I want a broken init thingy, I > can find something else that suites my needs. I've said it before, I > love Gentoo but I'm not going to reinstall or otherwise spend hours > trying to fix something that I shouldn't need to to begin with and never > needed before. Just saying. ;-) > > Dale What Dale is saying is, "I don't want anything forced on me that leaves me no choice but to accept it." That's a fundamental way of life to us (Dale, me, and others). Today the idea of being an individual, and not having another man's ideas forced on everyone, has been mostly replaced by the "sheeple" mentality. There are so many people who just go along without even questioning. We're not two of those sheeple, and won't become such. So, what most of you seem to be missing is this: the thing to which Dale (and a lot of us) object to is not so much an initrd image, but being forced to use something that is not our choice. And the problem with it coming from the Fedora camp, and such an arrogant, pompous, prima donna as Lennart Poeterring, is what is most objectionable. If there was one modicum of common sense, of humility, in his personality, then maybe more of this "older, independent, out-of-the-sheepfold" type of man would check out his ideas. But, alas, It Won't Happen (TM). Nice little DuckDuckGo hit: http://pastebin.com/RzZYnZwT -- Happy Penguin Computers >') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ support@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting