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From: Bruce Hill <daddy@happypenguincomputers.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:17:03 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121224231703.GM26547@server> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50D8D8D6.8090701@gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 04:36:06PM -0600, Dale wrote:
> 
> One of the reasons I left Mandriva was because of the init thingy.  If I
> wanted one and liked having one, I would have never switched to Gentoo. 
> The init thingy was not the only reason but it was one of them.  The
> reason I do not want one is because it adds one more point of failure. 
> In my past experience, it failed me a lot on Mandriva.  I don't want to
> go backwards to failure.  I want to keep moving forward, which is why I
> chose Gentoo, no init thingy needed unless you put / on something like
> LVM or encrypt it or something.  That is why I put everything but /boot
> and / on LVM here, to avoid having to use a init thingy.  I have done a
> lot to avoid that thing then it turns out, someone is trying to push it
> on me anyway. 
> 
> If I am forced to use a init thingy, the first time it fails and I can't
> fix it, I'm moving to something else.  If I want a broken init thingy, I
> can find something else that suites my needs.  I've said it before, I
> love Gentoo but I'm not going to reinstall or otherwise spend hours
> trying to fix something that I shouldn't need to to begin with and never
> needed before.  Just saying.  ;-)
> 
> Dale

What Dale is saying is, "I don't want anything forced on me that leaves me no
choice but to accept it." That's a fundamental way of life to us (Dale, me,
and others).

Today the idea of being an individual, and not having another man's ideas
forced on everyone, has been mostly replaced by the "sheeple" mentality. There
are so many people who just go along without even questioning. We're not two
of those sheeple, and won't become such.

So, what most of you seem to be missing is this: the thing to which Dale (and
a lot of us) object to is not so much an initrd image, but being forced to
use something that is not our choice.

And the problem with it coming from the Fedora camp, and such an arrogant,
pompous, prima donna as Lennart Poeterring, is what is most objectionable. If
there was one modicum of common sense, of humility, in his personality, then
maybe more of this "older, independent, out-of-the-sheepfold" type of man
would check out his ideas. But, alas, It Won't Happen (TM).

Nice little DuckDuckGo hit: http://pastebin.com/RzZYnZwT
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2012-12-14 12:19 [gentoo-user] Anyone switched to eudev yet? Dale
2012-12-14 13:26 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2012-12-14 13:41   ` Dale
2012-12-14 14:04     ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-14 14:25       ` Dale
2012-12-14 15:39         ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-14 16:20           ` Tanstaafl
2012-12-14 17:34             ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-14 19:02               ` Tanstaafl
2012-12-14 16:23   ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-14 16:32     ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-14 16:33     ` Michael Mol
2012-12-14 17:06       ` Dale
2012-12-14 16:52     ` Dale
2012-12-14 17:44       ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-14 20:49         ` Dale
2012-12-14 15:01 ` [gentoo-user] " Mark Knecht
2012-12-14 15:48   ` Dale
2012-12-14 16:07     ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-14 16:29       ` Dale
2012-12-14 16:53         ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-14 17:14           ` Dale
2012-12-14 21:34           ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-15 10:18             ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-15 17:43               ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-16 12:51                 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-16 21:19               ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2012-12-16 21:30                 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-16 22:14                 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-16 22:25                   ` Nikos Chantziaras
2012-12-15  8:16           ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-16 15:10             ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-16 18:49               ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-16 20:32                 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-16 20:51                   ` Dale
2012-12-17  0:26                   ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-17  5:44                     ` Dale
2012-12-17  5:57                       ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-12-17  6:09                         ` Dale
2012-12-17  6:24                           ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-12-17  6:44                             ` Dale
2012-12-17 11:33                           ` Kevin Chadwick
     [not found]                     ` <CAA2qdGWkfmiQVAKb76wq57scQ-T5p2U7HE4VdN8BnTX0oZHS1g@mail.gmail.com>
2012-12-17  5:54                       ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-17  7:38                     ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-17  7:33                   ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-17  7:29                 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-17  8:02               ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-17  8:46                 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-18 11:44                   ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-18 12:55                     ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-18 13:34                     ` [Bulk] " Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-18 22:02                       ` Marc Joliet
2012-12-19 18:48                         ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-19 21:42                           ` Walter Dnes
2012-12-18 14:08                   ` Michael Mol
2012-12-18 14:33                     ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-18 22:55                       ` Michael Mol
2012-12-18 23:07                         ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-19  3:05                           ` Michael Mol
2012-12-19  9:30                             ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-19  9:38                             ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-19 10:14                               ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-19  9:26                         ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-19 15:03                           ` Michael Mol
2012-12-23 10:22                       ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-23 16:20                         ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-23 17:03                           ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-23 17:20                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-12-23 17:44                               ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-23 17:53                                 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-23 18:06                                   ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-23 20:39                                 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-24  1:27                                   ` Walter Dnes
2012-12-24  8:06                                     ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-24 10:58                                       ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-24 15:14                                         ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-24 15:52                                           ` Dale
2012-12-24 23:09                                             ` William Kenworthy
2012-12-25 20:39                                               ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-25 21:05                                                 ` Dale
2012-12-26 21:35                                               ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-27 23:46                                           ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-25 11:33                                         ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-24 15:10                                       ` [Bulk] " Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-24 15:20                                     ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-27 19:43                                 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-27 19:59                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-27 20:07                                   ` Michael Mol
2012-12-27 20:14                                   ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-24  6:55                             ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-24 12:58                               ` Dale
2012-12-24 13:21                                 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-24 13:58                                   ` Dale
2012-12-24 15:06                                     ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-24 15:27                                       ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 15:56                                         ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-24 16:00                                           ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 16:11                                         ` Dale
2012-12-24 16:14                                           ` Dale
2012-12-24 16:34                                             ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 17:02                                               ` Dale
2012-12-24 15:43                                       ` Dale
2012-12-24 16:29                                       ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-24 17:00                                         ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-25 12:10                                         ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-25 12:46                                           ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 13:22                                             ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-25 16:40                                               ` Dale
2012-12-25 17:17                                                 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-25 17:53                                                   ` Dale
2012-12-25 18:54                                                     ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-25 22:49                                                       ` Dale
2012-12-25 22:54                                                   ` Paul Colquhoun
2012-12-25 23:12                                                     ` Dale
2012-12-26 11:55                                                     ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-26 14:19                                                       ` pk
2012-12-24 16:25                                     ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-24 16:41                                       ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-24 17:05                                         ` Dale
2012-12-24 17:15                                           ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-24 18:58                                             ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-25  1:54                                               ` Dale
2012-12-26 15:56                                                 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-24 18:48                                 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-24 20:00                                   ` Dale
2012-12-24 20:15                                     ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 21:23                                     ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-24 22:36                                       ` Dale
2012-12-24 23:17                                         ` Bruce Hill [this message]
2012-12-25  0:34                                         ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25  2:00                                           ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25  2:33                                           ` Dale
2012-12-25 21:15                                             ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-25 21:42                                               ` Dale
2012-12-25 22:07                                                 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-24 23:04                                       ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25  0:29                                         ` »Q«
2012-12-25  0:54                                           ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25  1:30                                             ` Dale
2012-12-25  2:13                                             ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 16:51                                               ` Todd Goodman
2012-12-25 23:26                                                 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-26 11:40                                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-26 14:24                                                   ` Todd Goodman
2012-12-26 17:03                                                     ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-26 17:22                                                       ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-26 20:34                                                         ` Dale
2012-12-26 21:00                                                           ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25  2:03                                           ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25  2:38                                             ` Dale
2012-12-25 12:58                                               ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 16:01                                                 ` Dale
2012-12-26 16:01                                               ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-26 20:42                                                 ` Dale
2012-12-27  3:23                                                   ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-27 16:13                                                     ` Dale
2012-12-27 16:24                                                       ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-27 17:46                                                       ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-27 18:15                                                         ` Dale
2012-12-27 18:31                                                           ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-27 18:41                                                             ` Michael Mol
2012-12-27 19:02                                                               ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-27 22:29                                                                 ` Dale
2012-12-29  0:43                                                                 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-27 16:28                                                     ` [Bulk] " Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-27 18:22                                                       ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-27 18:40                                                         ` Michael Mol
2012-12-27 20:16                                                           ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-27 20:59                                                             ` Michael Mol
2012-12-27 22:37                                                               ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-28  4:20                                                                 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-28 14:10                                                                   ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-28 14:21                                                                     ` Michael Mol
2012-12-26 21:31                                                 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-25 21:19                                       ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-25 22:00                                         ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25 22:13                                           ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-25 22:20                                             ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25 23:04                                               ` Dale
2012-12-25 23:10                                                 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25 23:56                                                   ` Dale
2012-12-24 21:43                                     ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-24 22:23                                       ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 23:31                                         ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-24 23:58                                           ` Dale
2012-12-25  0:44                                           ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 22:52                                       ` Dale
2012-12-24 22:11                                     ` Daniel Wagener
2012-12-25  3:56                                   ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-25  7:38                                     ` [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? -> what was wron with SysVInit? G.Wolfe Woodbury
2012-12-25  8:01                                       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-25 11:14                                         ` G.Wolfe Woodbury
2012-12-25 13:14                                         ` Michael Mol
2012-12-25 13:35                                           ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-25 18:01                                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27  0:45                                             ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-27  1:14                                               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27  1:26                                                 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27 16:00                                                 ` pk
2012-12-27 23:24                                                   ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-28 18:15                                                     ` pk
2012-12-28 18:55                                                       ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-12-28 19:01                                                       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-28 22:40                                                         ` pk
2012-12-29  1:05                                                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-28  1:06                                               ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-28  1:24                                                 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 13:56                                         ` Joshua Murphy
2012-12-25 18:14                                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-26 22:22                                           ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-26 22:19                                         ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-26 23:01                                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-26 23:51                                             ` Michael Mol
2012-12-27  0:57                                               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27 16:29                                                 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-27 23:38                                                   ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-28 18:53                                                     ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-28 19:14                                                       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-28 20:17                                                         ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-28 20:36                                                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-29  3:48                                                           ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-28 23:23                                                         ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-29  1:06                                                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27  0:27                                             ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-25 13:02                                     ` [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 13:18                                       ` Michael Mol
2012-12-25 15:01                                       ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-25 23:31                                         ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-26  0:19                                           ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-26  2:16                                           ` Michael Mol
2012-12-26  3:24                                             ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-26 17:13                                               ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-26 18:47                                                 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27 23:07                                     ` Alan McKinnon
2013-01-04 23:22                                       ` Mike Edenfield
2013-01-05  2:41                                         ` [Bulk] " Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-27 19:41                             ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-19 18:42               ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-19 21:53                 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-19 22:45                   ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-20  3:45                 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-20 16:47                   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-20 20:59                     ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-23 10:26                     ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-20 21:01                   ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-20 21:46                     ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-21  0:09                       ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-21  0:45                         ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-21  8:28                         ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-15 10:16           ` [gentoo-user] " pk
2012-12-14 16:17     ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-14 16:31       ` Dale

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