From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-user+bounces-143747-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612F01381F3 for <garchives@archives.gentoo.org>; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 23:05:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A9EF521C037; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 23:05:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 050A621C01C for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 23:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (66-208-231-133.ubr01a.rte20201.pa.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [66.208.231.133]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MTjBY-1TeRLS1cie-00QVmK; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 18:04:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:04:13 -0600 From: Bruce Hill <daddy@happypenguincomputers.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? Message-ID: <20121224230413.GL26547@server> References: <CA+czFiD+Yv_PXctATd6EYws8kpqb3WFesLZU47jMN5ZJmy3oww@mail.gmail.com> <20121218163332.7956f31a@khamul.example.com> <87txrd6pb3.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121223182037.1553813f@khamul.example.com> <87bodk7lb6.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121224085528.56f535ec@khamul.example.com> <50D85167.9060309@gmail.com> <20121224204817.335033c6@khamul.example.com> <50D8B467.4080100@gmail.com> <CAK2H+efOgw=gjMd-7b5ftH9KtgehBXcHRiAm4w1x6p5-vry4uQ@mail.gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <CAK2H+efOgw=gjMd-7b5ftH9KtgehBXcHRiAm4w1x6p5-vry4uQ@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:apHXBwEFP/AymyHLtFqs1feL5m7kjp1VKznJem/zaPW 3cjACfzgd1LRw2LPGB9ajiWkGqJCA7hotKf/CwPsfCJ/DCwv2M VOBgaM1wTuqHTYfxU1bnyTthedv7fcxHOrGvD7zyKS5oXtzYtP 4dah9atPhbYQ7lGnGXKi5iEt75uYfP1earU3zo0FjDt6cGRIMF YCieNmszm/uAnS4xv5HxHAsYBL2iBGZ1MnnK7dBdx0+kevL7rj P7A68FDhdepzBkAosKrQcO/A6w6Q/Lx4qYyJCoolAQgf6U/nB5 K28HImKz32ViFClKpYes2LQemL9bxVlQ8vrK5j+eFXtrRUIVvg Y9B+Vf2PiQu1rc0HhR7ln5HqHPl8NS/RGpOnLGgcS X-Archives-Salt: eb4f6d20-29fb-4b25-9243-435882dc8dc1 X-Archives-Hash: 65023a3791ae252bfa817f2aa4aa8ac0 On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 01:23:16PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote: > <SNIP> > > The problems with that is these: It worked ALL these years, why should > > it not now? I have / on a traditional partition which is not going to > > resize easily. If I put / on LVM, I need a init thingy. I don't want a > > init thingy > > Is that really true? Do you _really_ care whether an 'init thingy' exists > on your system, or is this energy about it really based in something else? > > I'm just not understanding the resistance so I'm curious. > > I don't like, really don't like, the work that currently goes into making > my 'init thingy' work. All the Gentoo docs about creating hierarchies by > hand and populating them with files and then compressing it. All that > drives me nuts. It should be 100% automatic, and probably is with the > right tools which I haven't found. > > But I'm not understanding why you are so against it in totality. It would > be one thing to say that it's too much work. That I understand, but not > wanting one seems a bit overboard to me... Once upon a time (for 7 years) Slackware was my distro, and not only as a user. They still have a script (mkinitrd) which only asks a minimal amount of information from the user to run a simple one-liner and create initrd.gz. Gentoo had mkinitrd once upon a time, but it's now in attic. Somewhere, sometime, for some reason, initramfs (inital ram filesystem) became vogue for the Gentoo camp, rather than initrd (initial ram disk image), and mkinitrd got retired. Since there are so very many ways to boot a system, with / on RAID0, /usr on LVM, and any other number of combinations on this LAN, I didn't bother to investigate why the Gentoo devs retired mkinitrd. So long as you're not going to let this thread die, I've thrown that in the mix and maybe someone will come up with the *real* *reason* that mkinitrd, such a simple method to create an initrd, is in attic rather than portage. -- Happy Penguin Computers >') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ support@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting