From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D7C1381F3 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 01:29:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DCA3E21C051; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 01:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.182]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08842E05F8 for ; Mon, 24 Dec 2012 01:27:30 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgsKAG6Zu09FpZWR/2dsb2JhbABEsnYDgRiBCIIVAQEEATocKAsLNBIUJTeICQULuX6LCFqBRII8YgOIQoR8h1yFX4g6gViDBw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,637,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="210617713" Received: from 69-165-149-145.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO waltdnes.org) ([69.165.149.145]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 2012 20:27:29 -0500 Received: by waltdnes.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 23 Dec 2012 20:27:24 -0500 From: "Walter Dnes" Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 20:27:24 -0500 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? Message-ID: <20121224012724.GA23138@waltdnes.org> References: <20121217104621.735bf43a@khamul.example.com> <20121218163332.7956f31a@khamul.example.com> <87txrd6pb3.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121223182037.1553813f@khamul.example.com> <87bodk7lb6.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121223172053.GB23711@acm.acm> <877go87jec.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121223203941.20fdd9a7@digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20121223203941.20fdd9a7@digimed.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: fed83ed1-c5f2-4f09-97f8-53f2690430ce X-Archives-Hash: 53a0f2f0ad8b39b98d9e2a2e76c6dec8 On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 08:39:41PM +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote > You are only considering the case of /usr being on a plain hard disk > partition, what if it in on an LVM volume, or encrypted (or both) > of mounted over the network? All of these require something to be > run before they can be mounted, and if that cannot be run until udev > has started, we have been painted into a corner. I agree that there will always be a small number of corner-cases where an initr* is required. What annoys me, and probably a lot of other people, is the-dog-in-the-manger attitude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dog_in_the_Manger where some people seem to say "If my weirdo, corner-case system can't boot a separate /usr without an initr* then, by-golly, I'll see to it that *NOBODY* can boot a separate /usr without an initr*". -- Walter Dnes I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications