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From: Kevin Chadwick <ma1l1ists@yahoo.co.uk>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet?
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 00:09:50 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121221000950.0b59ecf3@kc-sys.chadwicks.me.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG2nJkNhw02esrUYhXhiCQ0PCFRUsjhArno7=oNopM8YxYcN=w@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 05:46:33 +0800
Mark David Dumlao <madumlao@gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > A concensus would be good. A right consensus is more likely to get a
> > consensus. This has no bearing on the matters at hand.  
> 
> /usr as the default prefix for installed packages is the "consensus"
> of the vast majority of packages out there. Why do you think this has
> no bearing on their consideration?

I'm just pointing out that despite what many seem to state there are
losses and unclear/non forth coming positive reasons or real benefits
to the current apparently to be imposed or your doomed "consensus" of
consolidating data. Once your at multi-user the whole filesystem is one
for all intensive purposes anyway and so much of what you have said is
misleading. It really shouldn't be a difficult problem to fix, it is
just data after all.

 I certainly don't expect linux to solve these management problems,
 quite the opposite in fact but I can hope. I am just glad eudev is
 removing some of the excuse to ignore and quieten complaints that may
 be the real motivation to allow changes later that don't break
 anything or cause too loud screams, being the rules of the kernel
 devs before allowing more radical changes. There are a few indicators
 that lend credence to this possibility.

What is even more encouraging is eudevs keen eye on unneccesary
complexity and increased potential for bugs and unexpected code pull
in at the very core of the early boot process.

Stability and security features or design is never missed until it's too
late and then lots is spent on ineffective band aids.


  reply	other threads:[~2012-12-21  0:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 252+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-12-14 12:19 [gentoo-user] Anyone switched to eudev yet? Dale
2012-12-14 13:26 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2012-12-14 13:41   ` Dale
2012-12-14 14:04     ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-14 14:25       ` Dale
2012-12-14 15:39         ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-14 16:20           ` Tanstaafl
2012-12-14 17:34             ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-14 19:02               ` Tanstaafl
2012-12-14 16:23   ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-14 16:32     ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-14 16:33     ` Michael Mol
2012-12-14 17:06       ` Dale
2012-12-14 16:52     ` Dale
2012-12-14 17:44       ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-14 20:49         ` Dale
2012-12-14 15:01 ` [gentoo-user] " Mark Knecht
2012-12-14 15:48   ` Dale
2012-12-14 16:07     ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-14 16:29       ` Dale
2012-12-14 16:53         ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-14 17:14           ` Dale
2012-12-14 21:34           ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-15 10:18             ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-15 17:43               ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-16 12:51                 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-16 21:19               ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2012-12-16 21:30                 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-16 22:14                 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-16 22:25                   ` Nikos Chantziaras
2012-12-15  8:16           ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-16 15:10             ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-16 18:49               ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-16 20:32                 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-16 20:51                   ` Dale
2012-12-17  0:26                   ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-17  5:44                     ` Dale
2012-12-17  5:57                       ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-12-17  6:09                         ` Dale
2012-12-17  6:24                           ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-12-17  6:44                             ` Dale
2012-12-17 11:33                           ` Kevin Chadwick
     [not found]                     ` <CAA2qdGWkfmiQVAKb76wq57scQ-T5p2U7HE4VdN8BnTX0oZHS1g@mail.gmail.com>
2012-12-17  5:54                       ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-17  7:38                     ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-17  7:33                   ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-17  7:29                 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-17  8:02               ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-17  8:46                 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-18 11:44                   ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-18 12:55                     ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-18 13:34                     ` [Bulk] " Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-18 22:02                       ` Marc Joliet
2012-12-19 18:48                         ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-19 21:42                           ` Walter Dnes
2012-12-18 14:08                   ` Michael Mol
2012-12-18 14:33                     ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-18 22:55                       ` Michael Mol
2012-12-18 23:07                         ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-19  3:05                           ` Michael Mol
2012-12-19  9:30                             ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-19  9:38                             ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-19 10:14                               ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-19  9:26                         ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-19 15:03                           ` Michael Mol
2012-12-23 10:22                       ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-23 16:20                         ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-23 17:03                           ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-23 17:20                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2012-12-23 17:44                               ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-23 17:53                                 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-23 18:06                                   ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-23 20:39                                 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-24  1:27                                   ` Walter Dnes
2012-12-24  8:06                                     ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-24 10:58                                       ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-24 15:14                                         ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-24 15:52                                           ` Dale
2012-12-24 23:09                                             ` William Kenworthy
2012-12-25 20:39                                               ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-25 21:05                                                 ` Dale
2012-12-26 21:35                                               ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-27 23:46                                           ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-25 11:33                                         ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-24 15:10                                       ` [Bulk] " Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-24 15:20                                     ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-27 19:43                                 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-27 19:59                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-27 20:07                                   ` Michael Mol
2012-12-27 20:14                                   ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-24  6:55                             ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-24 12:58                               ` Dale
2012-12-24 13:21                                 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-24 13:58                                   ` Dale
2012-12-24 15:06                                     ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-24 15:27                                       ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 15:56                                         ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-24 16:00                                           ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 16:11                                         ` Dale
2012-12-24 16:14                                           ` Dale
2012-12-24 16:34                                             ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 17:02                                               ` Dale
2012-12-24 15:43                                       ` Dale
2012-12-24 16:29                                       ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-24 17:00                                         ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-25 12:10                                         ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-25 12:46                                           ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 13:22                                             ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-25 16:40                                               ` Dale
2012-12-25 17:17                                                 ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-25 17:53                                                   ` Dale
2012-12-25 18:54                                                     ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-25 22:49                                                       ` Dale
2012-12-25 22:54                                                   ` Paul Colquhoun
2012-12-25 23:12                                                     ` Dale
2012-12-26 11:55                                                     ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-26 14:19                                                       ` pk
2012-12-24 16:25                                     ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-24 16:41                                       ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-24 17:05                                         ` Dale
2012-12-24 17:15                                           ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-24 18:58                                             ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-25  1:54                                               ` Dale
2012-12-26 15:56                                                 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-24 18:48                                 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-24 20:00                                   ` Dale
2012-12-24 20:15                                     ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 21:23                                     ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-24 22:36                                       ` Dale
2012-12-24 23:17                                         ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25  0:34                                         ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25  2:00                                           ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25  2:33                                           ` Dale
2012-12-25 21:15                                             ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-25 21:42                                               ` Dale
2012-12-25 22:07                                                 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-24 23:04                                       ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25  0:29                                         ` »Q«
2012-12-25  0:54                                           ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25  1:30                                             ` Dale
2012-12-25  2:13                                             ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 16:51                                               ` Todd Goodman
2012-12-25 23:26                                                 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-26 11:40                                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-26 14:24                                                   ` Todd Goodman
2012-12-26 17:03                                                     ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-26 17:22                                                       ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-26 20:34                                                         ` Dale
2012-12-26 21:00                                                           ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25  2:03                                           ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25  2:38                                             ` Dale
2012-12-25 12:58                                               ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 16:01                                                 ` Dale
2012-12-26 16:01                                               ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-26 20:42                                                 ` Dale
2012-12-27  3:23                                                   ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-27 16:13                                                     ` Dale
2012-12-27 16:24                                                       ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-27 17:46                                                       ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-27 18:15                                                         ` Dale
2012-12-27 18:31                                                           ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-27 18:41                                                             ` Michael Mol
2012-12-27 19:02                                                               ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-27 22:29                                                                 ` Dale
2012-12-29  0:43                                                                 ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-27 16:28                                                     ` [Bulk] " Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-27 18:22                                                       ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-27 18:40                                                         ` Michael Mol
2012-12-27 20:16                                                           ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-27 20:59                                                             ` Michael Mol
2012-12-27 22:37                                                               ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-28  4:20                                                                 ` Michael Mol
2012-12-28 14:10                                                                   ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-28 14:21                                                                     ` Michael Mol
2012-12-26 21:31                                                 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-25 21:19                                       ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-25 22:00                                         ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25 22:13                                           ` Neil Bothwick
2012-12-25 22:20                                             ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25 23:04                                               ` Dale
2012-12-25 23:10                                                 ` Mark Knecht
2012-12-25 23:56                                                   ` Dale
2012-12-24 21:43                                     ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-24 22:23                                       ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 23:31                                         ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-24 23:58                                           ` Dale
2012-12-25  0:44                                           ` Michael Mol
2012-12-24 22:52                                       ` Dale
2012-12-24 22:11                                     ` Daniel Wagener
2012-12-25  3:56                                   ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-25  7:38                                     ` [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? -> what was wron with SysVInit? G.Wolfe Woodbury
2012-12-25  8:01                                       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-25 11:14                                         ` G.Wolfe Woodbury
2012-12-25 13:14                                         ` Michael Mol
2012-12-25 13:35                                           ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-25 18:01                                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27  0:45                                             ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-27  1:14                                               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27  1:26                                                 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27 16:00                                                 ` pk
2012-12-27 23:24                                                   ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-28 18:15                                                     ` pk
2012-12-28 18:55                                                       ` Michael Orlitzky
2012-12-28 19:01                                                       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-28 22:40                                                         ` pk
2012-12-29  1:05                                                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-28  1:06                                               ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-28  1:24                                                 ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 13:56                                         ` Joshua Murphy
2012-12-25 18:14                                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-26 22:22                                           ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-26 22:19                                         ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-26 23:01                                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-26 23:51                                             ` Michael Mol
2012-12-27  0:57                                               ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27 16:29                                                 ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-27 23:38                                                   ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-28 18:53                                                     ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-28 19:14                                                       ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-28 20:17                                                         ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-28 20:36                                                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-29  3:48                                                           ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-28 23:23                                                         ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-29  1:06                                                           ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27  0:27                                             ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-25 13:02                                     ` [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? Bruce Hill
2012-12-25 13:18                                       ` Michael Mol
2012-12-25 15:01                                       ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-25 23:31                                         ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-26  0:19                                           ` Pandu Poluan
2012-12-26  2:16                                           ` Michael Mol
2012-12-26  3:24                                             ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-26 17:13                                               ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-26 18:47                                                 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-12-27 23:07                                     ` Alan McKinnon
2013-01-04 23:22                                       ` Mike Edenfield
2013-01-05  2:41                                         ` [Bulk] " Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-27 19:41                             ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-19 18:42               ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-19 21:53                 ` Alan McKinnon
2012-12-19 22:45                   ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-20  3:45                 ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-20 16:47                   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2012-12-20 20:59                     ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-23 10:26                     ` Nuno J. Silva
2012-12-20 21:01                   ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-20 21:46                     ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-21  0:09                       ` Kevin Chadwick [this message]
2012-12-21  0:45                         ` Kevin Chadwick
2012-12-21  8:28                         ` Mark David Dumlao
2012-12-15 10:16           ` [gentoo-user] " pk
2012-12-14 16:17     ` Bruce Hill
2012-12-14 16:31       ` Dale

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