From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B81C1381F3 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:35:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F09F21C05A; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ee0-f42.google.com (mail-ee0-f42.google.com [74.125.83.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C296E21C049 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ee0-f42.google.com with SMTP id c41so857605eek.15 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 01:33:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :organization:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OzFNW1rIg5h7wWj855mgF+O71+MaSv8Jb+Zm8XuuT0M=; b=SkAl4TYT38aaiKzwFZeQFO9ZM5GMAbRTVfn9lYYXGGQa5eqrQ2KGgX9PxLWKSIvKw+ fiugI8XaI5g3cdn89ijwVxOG2OjB2GZmgmLNGnaGuYhHysCsHown/JSRpBOlcZfWWTGd Zzteyme/fsJRXHKNLPD3Qot915JnN3Xr+VLyVgDdfcE7Qk7Yy/gTDLwZnOV5Uv7uNCRT c8w1i2V7F9qMh8I45mdXzCXeNdXyMM7p5DN6BMQOCRBSB02/7mkx4bqATpFe8vDW5jYH k+K7dXD94LyxYSp+7MkcV/B5pJQCNbw42pEH7lCCFRN6mv/ufoNkbhBx/B5lxQoqkA06 AETA== X-Received: by 10.14.205.198 with SMTP id j46mr12877933eeo.27.1355909631268; Wed, 19 Dec 2012 01:33:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from khamul.example.com (196-215-209-117.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.215.209.117]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b2sm8168668eep.9.2012.12.19.01.33.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 19 Dec 2012 01:33:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:30:14 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone switched to eudev yet? Message-ID: <20121219113014.129c896d@khamul.example.com> In-Reply-To: References: <50CB1942.3020900@gmail.com> <50CB4A3C.1030109@gmail.com> <50CB5406.7040404@gmail.com> <8738z7hgsa.fsf@ist.utl.pt> <20121216171043.71084070@khamul.example.com> <20121217104621.735bf43a@khamul.example.com> <20121218163332.7956f31a@khamul.example.com> <20121218230711.639b95b1@digimed.co.uk> Organization: Internet Solutions X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.14; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: df07d89c-1923-404d-a0c0-c4f69cc9c5f6 X-Archives-Hash: 5bb1f4eb66c2fa014f81b46a6fbab677 On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:05:21 -0500 Michael Mol wrote: > > I don't use separate initr* files, the initramfs is built into the > > kernel, using the latest versions of the tools installed at the > > time the kernel was compiled. That gives a single bootable file > > that, if it works now, should always work. Most changes to the > > component packages do not affect the simple job they have to do to > > get a system ready to run init. > > Just because it runs, doesn't mean it "works." For example, let's say > your network now requires an additional protocol for the host to > operate properly. Or let's say there's a security vulnerability in > some network-aware component in your initramfs. Or that some piece of > automounter code is vulnerable to corrupted filesystems on flash > drives. To borrow your own term, all that falls fair and square under the heading of "unforeseen operational requirements demanded it" Things change, packagers and sysadmins must react. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com