[gentoo-user] kernel 3.2->3.5 upgrade unusable: keyboard borked

[gentoo-user] kernel 3.2->3.5 upgrade unusable: keyboard borked

[Grant Edwards]

I'm trying to upgrade from a 3.2 kernel to 3.5.7, but the 3.5.7 kernel
is unusable because it always puts the keyboard into a mode where it
maps the numeric keypad to the right-hand home position (J->1, K->2,
L->3, U->4, etc.).  After sshing into the machine and booting back
into 3.2, everything is fine again.

There must have been a new kernel setting that I missed when I did a
"make oldconfig" which defaults to an unusable settings.  I haven't
been able to come up with a Google search that provides anything
remotely relevent.

Does anybody recognize this problem?

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Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.2->3.5 upgrade unusable: keyboard borked

[Yohan Pereira]

On Sunday 02 Dec 2012 3:05:21 Grant Edwards wrote:
> I'm trying to upgrade from a 3.2 kernel to 3.5.7, but the 3.5.7 kernel
> is unusable because it always puts the keyboard into a mode where it
> maps the numeric keypad to the right-hand home position (J->1, K->2,
> L->3, U->4, etc.).  After sshing into the machine and booting back
> into 3.2, everything is fine again.
> 
> There must have been a new kernel setting that I missed when I did a
> "make oldconfig" which defaults to an unusable settings.  I haven't
> been able to come up with a Google search that provides anything
> remotely relevent.
> 
> Does anybody recognize this problem?

Is this a laptop? with no num pad? On my laptop the numpad is mapped to the 
keys like you described, so when Num Lock is toggled those keys function as 
the num pad.
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Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.2->3.5 upgrade unusable: keyboard borked

[Mick]

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On Sunday 02 Dec 2012 06:39:16 Yohan Pereira wrote:
> On Sunday 02 Dec 2012 3:05:21 Grant Edwards wrote:
> > I'm trying to upgrade from a 3.2 kernel to 3.5.7, but the 3.5.7 kernel
> > is unusable because it always puts the keyboard into a mode where it
> > maps the numeric keypad to the right-hand home position (J->1, K->2,
> > L->3, U->4, etc.).  After sshing into the machine and booting back
> > into 3.2, everything is fine again.
> > 
> > There must have been a new kernel setting that I missed when I did a
> > "make oldconfig" which defaults to an unusable settings.  I haven't
> > been able to come up with a Google search that provides anything
> > remotely relevent.
> > 
> > Does anybody recognize this problem?
> 
> Is this a laptop? with no num pad? On my laptop the numpad is mapped to the
> keys like you described, so when Num Lock is toggled those keys function as
> the num pad.

You can check if rc-update -s -v | grep numlock (or rc-status -s | grep 
numlock) shows it being set, otherwise add it to see if this makes a 
difference.
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Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.2->3.5 upgrade unusable: keyboard borked

[covici]

Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday 02 Dec 2012 06:39:16 Yohan Pereira wrote:
> > On Sunday 02 Dec 2012 3:05:21 Grant Edwards wrote:
> > > I'm trying to upgrade from a 3.2 kernel to 3.5.7, but the 3.5.7 kernel
> > > is unusable because it always puts the keyboard into a mode where it
> > > maps the numeric keypad to the right-hand home position (J->1, K->2,
> > > L->3, U->4, etc.).  After sshing into the machine and booting back
> > > into 3.2, everything is fine again.
> > > 
> > > There must have been a new kernel setting that I missed when I did a
> > > "make oldconfig" which defaults to an unusable settings.  I haven't
> > > been able to come up with a Google search that provides anything
> > > remotely relevent.
> > > 
> > > Does anybody recognize this problem?
> > 
> > Is this a laptop? with no num pad? On my laptop the numpad is mapped to the
> > keys like you described, so when Num Lock is toggled those keys function as
> > the num pad.
> 
> You can check if rc-update -s -v | grep numlock (or rc-status -s | grep 
> numlock) shows it being set, otherwise add it to see if this makes a 
> difference.

I think numlock is on by default in newer kernels -- just turn it off
with the key -- I am pretty sure even your laptop has such a simulated
key.

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Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.2->3.5 upgrade unusable: keyboard borked

[Bruce Hill]

On Sun, Dec 02, 2012 at 06:23:52AM -0500, covici@ccs.covici.com wrote:
> 
> I think numlock is on by default in newer kernels -- just turn it off
> with the key -- I am pretty sure even your laptop has such a simulated
> key.

Where do you get numlock as a kernel option?

It is a BIOS option, but afaik not a kernel module.
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Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.2->3.5 upgrade unusable: keyboard borked

[Bruce Hill]

On Sun, Dec 02, 2012 at 08:06:43AM +0000, Mick wrote:
> 
> You can check if rc-update -s -v | grep numlock (or rc-status -s | grep 
> numlock) shows it being set, otherwise add it to see if this makes a 
> difference.
> -- 
> Regards,
> Mick

Though there is no /etc/conf.d/numlock, Mick's post caused me to read
/etc/init.d/numlock ... interesting. So if your "rc-update -s -v | grep
numlock" shows numlock but no runlevel, you can determine from the
aforementioned file how it got turned on.
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Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.2->3.5 upgrade unusable: keyboard borked

[covici]

Bruce Hill <daddy@happypenguincomputers.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 02, 2012 at 06:23:52AM -0500, covici@ccs.covici.com wrote:
> > 
> > I think numlock is on by default in newer kernels -- just turn it off
> > with the key -- I am pretty sure even your laptop has such a simulated
> > key.
> 
> Where do you get numlock as a kernel option?
> 
> It is a BIOS option, but afaik not a kernel module.
All I know is, that when I boot with kernel 3.6 or above, numlock is on
and I have to turn it off, whereas with my 3.4 kernel I do not have to
do this.


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[gentoo-user] Re: kernel 3.2->3.5 upgrade unusable: keyboard borked

[Grant Edwards]

On 2012-12-02, Yohan Pereira <yohan.pereira@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday 02 Dec 2012 3:05:21 Grant Edwards wrote:
>> I'm trying to upgrade from a 3.2 kernel to 3.5.7, but the 3.5.7 kernel
>> is unusable because it always puts the keyboard into a mode where it
>> maps the numeric keypad to the right-hand home position (J->1, K->2,
>> L->3, U->4, etc.).  After sshing into the machine and booting back
>> into 3.2, everything is fine again.
[...]
>> Does anybody recognize this problem?
>
> Is this a laptop? with no num pad?

No, it's a PS2 keyboard with no num pad (IBM spacesaver II).

> On my laptop the numpad is mapped to the keys like you described, so
> when Num Lock is toggled those keys function as the num pad.

That's how it works with the 3.2 kernel.  With 3.5, the numlock light
is on, and the numlock key doesn't turn it off like it does with 3.2.

-- 
Grant

[gentoo-user] Re: kernel 3.2->3.5 upgrade unusable: keyboard borked

[Grant Edwards]

On 2012-12-02, covici@ccs.covici.com <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:
> Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> Is this a laptop? with no num pad? On my laptop the numpad is mapped to the
>>> keys like you described, so when Num Lock is toggled those keys function as
>>> the num pad.
>> 
>> You can check if rc-update -s -v | grep numlock (or rc-status -s | grep 
>> numlock) shows it being set, otherwise add it to see if this makes a 
>> difference.
>
> I think numlock is on by default in newer kernels

That pretty much sucks.  Is that configurable sowewhere?

> -- just turn it off with the key

The Numlock key doesn't work with the 3.5 kernel.

> -- I am pretty sure even your laptop has such a simulated key.

My keyboard does have a numlock key, but it doesn't turn numlock on/off 
with the 3.5 kernel.

-- 
Grant

[gentoo-user] Re: kernel 3.2->3.5 upgrade unusable: keyboard borked

[Grant Edwards]

On 2012-12-02, covici@ccs.covici.com <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:

> I think numlock is on by default in newer kernels -- just turn it off
> with the key -- I am pretty sure even your laptop has such a simulated
> key.

I booted back into 3.5, and the "NumLk" doesn't toggle num-lock like
it does in 3.2.  In 3.5, the "NumLk" key toggles shift-lock.

Is there some kernel setting to disable the new brokeness where num-lock
is enabled at starup with no way to turn it off?

-- 
Grant

[gentoo-user] Re: kernel 3.2->3.5 upgrade unusable: keyboard borked

[Grant Edwards]

On 2012-12-02, Bruce Hill <daddy@happypenguincomputers.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 02, 2012 at 08:06:43AM +0000, Mick wrote:
>> 
>> You can check if rc-update -s -v | grep numlock (or rc-status -s | grep 
>> numlock) shows it being set, otherwise add it to see if this makes a 
>> difference.
>
> Though there is no /etc/conf.d/numlock, Mick's post caused me to read
> /etc/init.d/numlock ... interesting. So if your "rc-update -s -v | grep
> numlock" shows numlock but no runlevel,

The numlock "service" is not enabled for any runlevel.

> you can determine from the aforementioned file how it got turned on.

Can you explain a bit? I've looked at that file, and I still don't see
how it's getting turned on.

I can ssh into the machine and use "setleds" to turn it off to get the
keyboard back into a usable state. I suppose I could create an
"unnumlock" rc script and enable that for all runlevels.  But I'd much
rather the keyboard's default state was usable...

I've grep'ed the 3.5.7 kernel .config file for numlock, numeric,
keypad, and a half-dozen other similar strings, and have found
nothing.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kernel 3.2->3.5 upgrade unusable: keyboard borked

[covici]

Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2012-12-02, covici@ccs.covici.com <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:
> > Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >>> Is this a laptop? with no num pad? On my laptop the numpad is mapped to the
> >>> keys like you described, so when Num Lock is toggled those keys function as
> >>> the num pad.
> >> 
> >> You can check if rc-update -s -v | grep numlock (or rc-status -s | grep 
> >> numlock) shows it being set, otherwise add it to see if this makes a 
> >> difference.
> >
> > I think numlock is on by default in newer kernels
> 
> That pretty much sucks.  Is that configurable sowewhere?
> 
> > -- just turn it off with the key
> 
> The Numlock key doesn't work with the 3.5 kernel.
> 
> > -- I am pretty sure even your laptop has such a simulated key.
> 
> My keyboard does have a numlock key, but it doesn't turn numlock on/off 
> with the 3.5 kernel.

At least with 3.6 kernel and above, the numlock key does work -- I am
using a desktop with the regular keyboard.  So I wonder if you go to 3.6
will it be any better?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kernel 3.2->3.5 upgrade unusable: keyboard borked

[Mark Knecht]

On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Grant Edwards
<grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2012-12-02, covici@ccs.covici.com <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
>> I think numlock is on by default in newer kernels
>
> That pretty much sucks.  Is that configurable sowewhere?
>

This is not my experience. I'm using 3.5.* everywhere and haven't had
this problem on any machine to date. numlock is off by default on all
machines as best I can tell.

/etc/init.d/numlock on/off will change the state of the lights on my
keyboard. Have you tried that? I didn't know that OpenRC had added
numlock control but it's there and documented in a Gentoo Wiki.

HTH,
Mark

[gentoo-user] Re: kernel 3.2->3.5 upgrade unusable: keyboard borked

[Grant Edwards]

On 2012-12-02, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Grant Edwards
><grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2012-12-02, covici@ccs.covici.com <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:
><SNIP>
>>> I think numlock is on by default in newer kernels
>>
>> That pretty much sucks.  Is that configurable sowewhere?
>>
>
> This is not my experience. I'm using 3.5.* everywhere and haven't had
> this problem on any machine to date. numlock is off by default on all
> machines as best I can tell.

Armed with the clue that the change happened at 3.4 rather than 3.5, I
found the thread in the kernel dev list where it was discussed. 
Before 3.4, numlock defaulted to off.  Starting in 3.4, numlock
defaults to whatever the BIOS configuration is.  I change the numlock
setting in my BIOS (didn't know it had one), and everything's cool.

> /etc/init.d/numlock on/off will change the state of the lights on my
> keyboard. Have you tried that?

On my system it's start/stop rather than on/off. You can also just use
the setleds utility directly, but either is hard to do,

keyboard doesn't allow you to enter the letters u,i,o,p,j,k,l,m :)

> I didn't know that OpenRC had added numlock control but it's there
> and documented in a Gentoo Wiki.

OK, I understand how to enable numlock for various run states, but
just for curiousity's sake, how do you get the script called with the
"stop" paramter instead of the "start" parameter during startup?

Do other people's "numlock" keys still work with 3.4 and 3.5 kernels?

When running 3.5, my "numlock" key functions as a shift lock.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kernel 3.2->3.5 upgrade unusable: keyboard borked

[Mark Knecht]

On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2012-12-02, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
<SNIP>
>
>> /etc/init.d/numlock on/off will change the state of the lights on my
>> keyboard. Have you tried that?
>
> On my system it's start/stop rather than on/off. You can also just use
> the setleds utility directly, but either is hard to do,

Yes, of course you're right about start/stop. I was just writing a
response from memory and stupidly not testing anything. Anyway, you
got the idea.

Glad you found the kernel dev thread and reported the info back. Thanks!

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kernel 3.2->3.5 upgrade unusable: keyboard borked

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 21:08:23 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:

> You can also just use
> the setleds utility directly, but either is hard to do,
> 
> keyboard doesn't allow you to enter the letters u,i,o,p,j,k,l,m :)

set[tab][tab][tab]... :)


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[gentoo-user] Re: kernel 3.2->3.5 upgrade unusable: keyboard borked

[Grant Edwards]

On 2012-12-03, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Dec 2012 21:08:23 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> You can also just use the setleds utility directly, but either is
>> hard to do [when the] keyboard doesn't allow you to enter the letters
>> u,i,o,p,j,k,l,m :)
>
> set[tab][tab][tab]... :)

Logging in is the tricky part -- no tab completion...

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Grant