[gentoo-user] xserver update: tilde no longer dead key

[gentoo-user] xserver update: tilde no longer dead key

[Jörg Schaible]

Hi folks,

it seems the latest xorg-server update also changed the German standard 
keyboard layout, since the tilde is no longer a dead key. I verified that 
the standard variant is still used, I have no ~/.Xkbmap or /etc/X11/Xkbmap 
or (Xmodmap or Xresources), so the standard must have changed.

Where is this defined and how do I get back the "normal" behavior?

If you're used to a tilde working as dead key, the original key sequence 
like produced for e.g. this annoying example:

rm -rf ~ /tmp

I wand my dead key back!
Anyone?

Cheers,
Jörg

[gentoo-user] Re: xserver update: tilde no longer dead key

[Jörg Schaible]

Jörg Schaible wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> it seems the latest xorg-server update also changed the German standard
> keyboard layout, since the tilde is no longer a dead key. I verified that
> the standard variant is still used, I have no ~/.Xkbmap or /etc/X11/Xkbmap
> or (Xmodmap or Xresources), so the standard must have changed.
> 
> Where is this defined and how do I get back the "normal" behavior?
> 
> If you're used to a tilde working as dead key, the original key sequence
> like produced for e.g. this annoying example:
> 
> rm -rf ~ /tmp
> 
> I wand my dead key back!
> Anyone?

===================== %< ===============
$ diff -u /mnt/backup/floh/system/20121006/tree/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de 
/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de
--- /mnt/backup/floh/system/20121006/tree/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de  
2012-06-23 16:25:07.000000000 +0200
+++ /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de       2012-11-17 16:22:16.070643609 +0100
@@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
     key <AD03> { [         e,          E,     EuroSign,     EuroSign ] };
     key <AD06> { [         z,          Z,    leftarrow,          yen ] };
     key <AD11> { [udiaeresis, Udiaeresis, dead_diaeresis, dead_abovering ] 
};
-    key <AD12> { [      plus,   asterisk,   dead_tilde,  dead_macron ] };
+    key <AD12> { [      plus,   asterisk,   asciitilde,  macron ]      };
                                                                                                                       
     key <AC02>  { [         s,          S,                U017F,     U1E9E    
] };                                    
     key <AC07>  { [         j,          J,        dead_belowdot, 
dead_abovedot   ] };
===================== %< ===============

Comparing the current standard with an older backup, explains this change. 
Who is responsible for that?

- Jörg

[gentoo-user] Re: xserver update: tilde no longer dead key

[Jörg Schaible]

Jörg Schaible wrote:

> Jörg Schaible wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> it seems the latest xorg-server update also changed the German standard
>> keyboard layout, since the tilde is no longer a dead key. I verified that
>> the standard variant is still used, I have no ~/.Xkbmap or
>> /etc/X11/Xkbmap or (Xmodmap or Xresources), so the standard must have
>> changed.
>> 
>> Where is this defined and how do I get back the "normal" behavior?
>> 
>> If you're used to a tilde working as dead key, the original key sequence
>> like produced for e.g. this annoying example:
>> 
>> rm -rf ~ /tmp
>> 
>> I wand my dead key back!
>> Anyone?
> 
> ===================== %< ===============
> $ diff -u
> /mnt/backup/floh/system/20121006/tree/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de
> /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de ---
> /mnt/backup/floh/system/20121006/tree/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de
> 2012-06-23 16:25:07.000000000 +0200
> +++ /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de       2012-11-17 16:22:16.070643609
> +0100 @@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
>      key <AD03> { [         e,          E,     EuroSign,     EuroSign ] };
>      key <AD06> { [         z,          Z,    leftarrow,          yen ] };
>      key <AD11> { [udiaeresis, Udiaeresis, dead_diaeresis, dead_abovering
>      ]
> };
> -    key <AD12> { [      plus,   asterisk,   dead_tilde,  dead_macron ] };
> +    key <AD12> { [      plus,   asterisk,   asciitilde,  macron ]      };
>                                                                                                                        
>      key <AC02>  { [         s,          S,                U017F,    
>      U1E9E
> ] };
>      key <AC07>  { [         j,          J,        dead_belowdot,
> dead_abovedot   ] };
> ===================== %< ===============
> 
> Comparing the current standard with an older backup, explains this change.
> Who is responsible for that?

OK, it has been the update of xkeyboard-config from 2.6 to 2.7, change was 
caused due to this issue:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9752

Masking the version now. Thanks to Gentoo for this possibility!

- Jörg

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xserver update: tilde no longer dead key

[Mick]

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On Saturday 24 Nov 2012 00:11:44 Jörg Schaible wrote:
> Jörg Schaible wrote:
> > Jörg Schaible wrote:
> >> Hi folks,
> >> 
> >> it seems the latest xorg-server update also changed the German standard
> >> keyboard layout, since the tilde is no longer a dead key. I verified
> >> that the standard variant is still used, I have no ~/.Xkbmap or
> >> /etc/X11/Xkbmap or (Xmodmap or Xresources), so the standard must have
> >> changed.
> >> 
> >> Where is this defined and how do I get back the "normal" behavior?
> >> 
> >> If you're used to a tilde working as dead key, the original key sequence
> >> like produced for e.g. this annoying example:
> >> 
> >> rm -rf ~ /tmp
> >> 
> >> I wand my dead key back!
> >> Anyone?
> > 
> > ===================== %< ===============
> > $ diff -u
> > /mnt/backup/floh/system/20121006/tree/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de
> > /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de ---
> > /mnt/backup/floh/system/20121006/tree/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de
> > 2012-06-23 16:25:07.000000000 +0200
> > +++ /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de       2012-11-17 16:22:16.070643609
> > +0100 @@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
> > 
> >      key <AD03> { [         e,          E,     EuroSign,     EuroSign ]
> >      }; key <AD06> { [         z,          Z,    leftarrow,          yen
> >      ] }; key <AD11> { [udiaeresis, Udiaeresis, dead_diaeresis,
> >      dead_abovering ]
> > 
> > };
> > -    key <AD12> { [      plus,   asterisk,   dead_tilde,  dead_macron ]
> > }; +    key <AD12> { [      plus,   asterisk,   asciitilde,  macron ]   
> >   };
> > 
> >      key <AC02>  { [         s,          S,                U017F,
> >      U1E9E
> > 
> > ] };
> > 
> >      key <AC07>  { [         j,          J,        dead_belowdot,
> > 
> > dead_abovedot   ] };
> > ===================== %< ===============
> > 
> > Comparing the current standard with an older backup, explains this
> > change. Who is responsible for that?
> 
> OK, it has been the update of xkeyboard-config from 2.6 to 2.7, change was
> caused due to this issue:
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9752
> 
> Masking the version now. Thanks to Gentoo for this possibility!

I am using enlightenment-0.17.0_alpha5 and seem to have a problem with the 
keyboard layout too.

It keeps coming up with a US keyboard, when I have set gb in my xorg.conf.  
The strange thing is that with Fluxbox it works fine, so I can't blame xorg 
for it - I think.

I don't know if it is related to Jőrg's report above.  Anyone else came across 
this problem too?
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xserver update: tilde no longer dead key

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:39:10 +0000
Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday 24 Nov 2012 00:11:44 Jörg Schaible wrote:
> > Jörg Schaible wrote:
> > > Jörg Schaible wrote:
> > >> Hi folks,
> > >> 
> > >> it seems the latest xorg-server update also changed the German
> > >> standard keyboard layout, since the tilde is no longer a dead
> > >> key. I verified that the standard variant is still used, I have
> > >> no ~/.Xkbmap or /etc/X11/Xkbmap or (Xmodmap or Xresources), so
> > >> the standard must have changed.
> > >> 
> > >> Where is this defined and how do I get back the "normal"
> > >> behavior?
> > >> 
> > >> If you're used to a tilde working as dead key, the original key
> > >> sequence like produced for e.g. this annoying example:
> > >> 
> > >> rm -rf ~ /tmp
> > >> 
> > >> I wand my dead key back!
> > >> Anyone?
> > > 
> > > ===================== %< ===============
> > > $ diff -u
> > > /mnt/backup/floh/system/20121006/tree/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de
> > > /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de ---
> > > /mnt/backup/floh/system/20121006/tree/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de
> > > 2012-06-23 16:25:07.000000000 +0200
> > > +++ /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de       2012-11-17
> > > 16:22:16.070643609 +0100 @@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
> > > 
> > >      key <AD03> { [         e,          E,     EuroSign,
> > > EuroSign ] }; key <AD06> { [         z,          Z,
> > > leftarrow,          yen ] }; key <AD11> { [udiaeresis,
> > > Udiaeresis, dead_diaeresis, dead_abovering ]
> > > 
> > > };
> > > -    key <AD12> { [      plus,   asterisk,   dead_tilde,
> > > dead_macron ] }; +    key <AD12> { [      plus,   asterisk,
> > > asciitilde,  macron ] };
> > > 
> > >      key <AC02>  { [         s,          S,                U017F,
> > >      U1E9E
> > > 
> > > ] };
> > > 
> > >      key <AC07>  { [         j,          J,        dead_belowdot,
> > > 
> > > dead_abovedot   ] };
> > > ===================== %< ===============
> > > 
> > > Comparing the current standard with an older backup, explains this
> > > change. Who is responsible for that?
> > 
> > OK, it has been the update of xkeyboard-config from 2.6 to 2.7,
> > change was caused due to this issue:
> > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9752
> > 
> > Masking the version now. Thanks to Gentoo for this possibility!
> 
> I am using enlightenment-0.17.0_alpha5 and seem to have a problem
> with the keyboard layout too.
> 
> It keeps coming up with a US keyboard, when I have set gb in my
> xorg.conf. The strange thing is that with Fluxbox it works fine, so I
> can't blame xorg for it - I think.
> 
> I don't know if it is related to Jőrg's report above.  Anyone else
> came across this problem too?

A seemingly related issued was reported on e-users:

https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users

The thread is titled "Problem with Polish Keyboard layout"

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xserver update: tilde no longer dead key

[Mick]

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On Saturday 24 Nov 2012 20:25:35 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:39:10 +0000
> 
> Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday 24 Nov 2012 00:11:44 Jörg Schaible wrote:
> > > Jörg Schaible wrote:
> > > > Jörg Schaible wrote:
> > > >> Hi folks,
> > > >> 
> > > >> it seems the latest xorg-server update also changed the German
> > > >> standard keyboard layout, since the tilde is no longer a dead
> > > >> key. I verified that the standard variant is still used, I have
> > > >> no ~/.Xkbmap or /etc/X11/Xkbmap or (Xmodmap or Xresources), so
> > > >> the standard must have changed.
> > > >> 
> > > >> Where is this defined and how do I get back the "normal"
> > > >> behavior?
> > > >> 
> > > >> If you're used to a tilde working as dead key, the original key
> > > >> sequence like produced for e.g. this annoying example:
> > > >> 
> > > >> rm -rf ~ /tmp
> > > >> 
> > > >> I wand my dead key back!
> > > >> Anyone?
> > > > 
> > > > ===================== %< ===============
> > > > $ diff -u
> > > > /mnt/backup/floh/system/20121006/tree/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de
> > > > /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de ---
> > > > /mnt/backup/floh/system/20121006/tree/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de
> > > > 2012-06-23 16:25:07.000000000 +0200
> > > > +++ /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de       2012-11-17
> > > > 16:22:16.070643609 +0100 @@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
> > > > 
> > > >      key <AD03> { [         e,          E,     EuroSign,
> > > > 
> > > > EuroSign ] }; key <AD06> { [         z,          Z,
> > > > leftarrow,          yen ] }; key <AD11> { [udiaeresis,
> > > > Udiaeresis, dead_diaeresis, dead_abovering ]
> > > > 
> > > > };
> > > > -    key <AD12> { [      plus,   asterisk,   dead_tilde,
> > > > dead_macron ] }; +    key <AD12> { [      plus,   asterisk,
> > > > asciitilde,  macron ] };
> > > > 
> > > >      key <AC02>  { [         s,          S,                U017F,
> > > >      U1E9E
> > > > 
> > > > ] };
> > > > 
> > > >      key <AC07>  { [         j,          J,        dead_belowdot,
> > > > 
> > > > dead_abovedot   ] };
> > > > ===================== %< ===============
> > > > 
> > > > Comparing the current standard with an older backup, explains this
> > > > change. Who is responsible for that?
> > > 
> > > OK, it has been the update of xkeyboard-config from 2.6 to 2.7,
> > > change was caused due to this issue:
> > > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9752
> > > 
> > > Masking the version now. Thanks to Gentoo for this possibility!
> > 
> > I am using enlightenment-0.17.0_alpha5 and seem to have a problem
> > with the keyboard layout too.
> > 
> > It keeps coming up with a US keyboard, when I have set gb in my
> > xorg.conf. The strange thing is that with Fluxbox it works fine, so I
> > can't blame xorg for it - I think.
> > 
> > I don't know if it is related to Jőrg's report above.  Anyone else
> > came across this problem too?
> 
> A seemingly related issued was reported on e-users:
> 
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
> 
> The thread is titled "Problem with Polish Keyboard layout"

Thanks Alan, I had already kicked around in that thread, and initially I 
blamed my recent xorg update.  Then I tested fluxbox which had no problem 
reading my xorg.conf settings, so I thought it is most likely an e17 problem.  
However, Carsten said: "the kbd layout (xkbswitch) module changes layout by 
executing the setxkbmap binary. e will output to stdout what it runs with "SET 
XKB RUN: ...."

So, is it an xkb problem?  I can change the layout if I run manually setxkbmap 
gb, so what is the cause of this?  I don't really understand ...  :-(
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xserver update: tilde no longer dead key

[Mick]

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On Saturday 24 Nov 2012 20:25:35 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:39:10 +0000
> 
> Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday 24 Nov 2012 00:11:44 Jörg Schaible wrote:
> > > Jörg Schaible wrote:
> > > > Jörg Schaible wrote:
> > > >> Hi folks,
> > > >> 
> > > >> it seems the latest xorg-server update also changed the German
> > > >> standard keyboard layout, since the tilde is no longer a dead
> > > >> key. I verified that the standard variant is still used, I have
> > > >> no ~/.Xkbmap or /etc/X11/Xkbmap or (Xmodmap or Xresources), so
> > > >> the standard must have changed.
> > > >> 
> > > >> Where is this defined and how do I get back the "normal"
> > > >> behavior?
> > > >> 
> > > >> If you're used to a tilde working as dead key, the original key
> > > >> sequence like produced for e.g. this annoying example:
> > > >> 
> > > >> rm -rf ~ /tmp
> > > >> 
> > > >> I wand my dead key back!
> > > >> Anyone?
> > > > 
> > > > ===================== %< ===============
> > > > $ diff -u
> > > > /mnt/backup/floh/system/20121006/tree/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de
> > > > /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de ---
> > > > /mnt/backup/floh/system/20121006/tree/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de
> > > > 2012-06-23 16:25:07.000000000 +0200
> > > > +++ /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de       2012-11-17
> > > > 16:22:16.070643609 +0100 @@ -26,7 +26,7 @@
> > > > 
> > > >      key <AD03> { [         e,          E,     EuroSign,
> > > > 
> > > > EuroSign ] }; key <AD06> { [         z,          Z,
> > > > leftarrow,          yen ] }; key <AD11> { [udiaeresis,
> > > > Udiaeresis, dead_diaeresis, dead_abovering ]
> > > > 
> > > > };
> > > > -    key <AD12> { [      plus,   asterisk,   dead_tilde,
> > > > dead_macron ] }; +    key <AD12> { [      plus,   asterisk,
> > > > asciitilde,  macron ] };
> > > > 
> > > >      key <AC02>  { [         s,          S,                U017F,
> > > >      U1E9E
> > > > 
> > > > ] };
> > > > 
> > > >      key <AC07>  { [         j,          J,        dead_belowdot,
> > > > 
> > > > dead_abovedot   ] };
> > > > ===================== %< ===============
> > > > 
> > > > Comparing the current standard with an older backup, explains this
> > > > change. Who is responsible for that?
> > > 
> > > OK, it has been the update of xkeyboard-config from 2.6 to 2.7,
> > > change was caused due to this issue:
> > > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9752
> > > 
> > > Masking the version now. Thanks to Gentoo for this possibility!
> > 
> > I am using enlightenment-0.17.0_alpha5 and seem to have a problem
> > with the keyboard layout too.
> > 
> > It keeps coming up with a US keyboard, when I have set gb in my
> > xorg.conf. The strange thing is that with Fluxbox it works fine, so I
> > can't blame xorg for it - I think.
> > 
> > I don't know if it is related to Jőrg's report above.  Anyone else
> > came across this problem too?
> 
> A seemingly related issued was reported on e-users:
> 
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
> 
> The thread is titled "Problem with Polish Keyboard layout"

... and downgrading xkeyboard-config to 2.6 did not help.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xserver update: tilde no longer dead key

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:01:03 +0000
Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:

> > A seemingly related issued was reported on e-users:
> > 
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
> > 
> > The thread is titled "Problem with Polish Keyboard layout"  
> 
> Thanks Alan, I had already kicked around in that thread, and
> initially I blamed my recent xorg update.  Then I tested fluxbox
> which had no problem reading my xorg.conf settings, so I thought it
> is most likely an e17 problem. However, Carsten said: "the kbd layout
> (xkbswitch) module changes layout by executing the setxkbmap binary.
> e will output to stdout what it runs with "SET XKB RUN: ...."
> 
> So, is it an xkb problem?  I can change the layout if I run manually
> setxkbmap gb, so what is the cause of this?  I don't really
> understand ...  :-(

That stuff is murky in my world :-(

I've only ever used US keyboards so never change layouts and when I
read up on how it all works I get ... mighty confused

But here's my understanding of how it hangs together:

xkb* is one app that deals with this, KDE has it's own app, so does
fluxbox and various other WMs too. many people report that e17 doesn't
work properly right now but KDE and fluxbox do.

So logically speaking, setxkbmap is the app that is broken whereas the
layer beneath it is fine (otherwise fluxbox couldn't work properly)

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com