From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39591381F3 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 05:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D7B59E00D3; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 05:14:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.182]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1505DE0534 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 05:12:48 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgsKAG6Zu09MCpoj/2dsb2JhbABEsnYDgRiBCIIWAQU6HDMLNBIUJTeIDgu5fosIWoFEgjxiA4hChHyHXIEQhE+DRASEcoFYgwc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,637,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="207847858" Received: from 76-10-154-35.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO waltdnes.org) ([76.10.154.35]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 2012 00:12:47 -0500 Received: by waltdnes.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 17 Nov 2012 00:12:34 -0500 From: "Walter Dnes" Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 00:12:34 -0500 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization Message-ID: <20121117051234.GA14350@waltdnes.org> References: <50A1B335.2080907@gentoo.org> <50A1BC8A.2060607@gmail.com> <20121116224734.GA13844@waltdnes.org> <20121117033651.GA14197@waltdnes.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Archives-Salt: 6957c618-001a-4d8a-9cff-974e4d2be7bd X-Archives-Hash: 4385366f43cde31836abc9c8170fa32d On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:54:10PM -0500, Michael Mol wrote > > I don't remember if Richard is on the -user list or not. I've no doubt > he'd be happy to have your assistance; you put in a lot of work > getting mdev to work for your purposes. (Whatever happened with that, > anyway? Or am I getting the various walts in here mixed up?) The Gentoo Wiki pages are at... https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev/Automount_USB I don't think I can claim responsibility for Richard Yao's decision (along with others) to fork udev. I was one of the more visible malcontents here on the user list, but there were other factors. For many people here, "the udev controversy" means either moving /usr to /, or booting with initramd. If that had been it, the fork might've never materialized. The current systemd-udev team managed to piss off a lot of people. - people like me who didn't want to repartition their hard drives or go to initramd, just because Lennart declared separate /usr "broken" - people who had device drivers break, or at least hang for 30 or 60 seconds at bootup, just because Lennart declared the old way of loading firmware "broken" - people who may not have been affected by the above, but were afraid of Lennart's stated desire to roll udev completely into systemd and thereby make systemd mandatory in linux - and for good measure, throw in people who had problems with Lennart's gratuitous sound daemon (pulseaudio) or gratutious network daemon (avahi) whose primary function seems to be to auto-config link-local addresses. And let's not forget the brouhaha over Poettering's and Seiver's binary-syslog-with-undocumented-format idea http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/11/23/1733236/secure-syslog-replacement-proposed Lennart Poettering (and to a lesser extent Sievers) has pissed off a lot of people (users, sysadmins, and developers). The situation resembles the Xfree86 ==> Xorg revolt. Hopefully, the end result will be similar. -- Walter Dnes We are apparently better off trying to avoid udev like the plague. Linus Torvalds; 2012/10/03 https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/3/349