[gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!

[gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!

[Willie]

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Hey Everyone,

I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that
whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like I
did "shutdown -r now". Just completely off out of the blue at random times.
I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is
never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown. Sometime I can
boot up and it will go off when it says "Waiting for udev events to finish"
or something like that.

I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing
different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware thing
but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of
occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it
done.

Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows after
I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop.

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Willie Matthews
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Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!

[Andrew Hoffman]

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Sounds like it could be a hardware issue. Does it do the same thing inside
Windows? It might be overheating. Check for dust and proper cpu/powersupply
fan operation.


On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Willie <matthews.willie@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Everyone,
>
> I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that
> whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like I
> did "shutdown -r now". Just completely off out of the blue at random times.
> I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is
> never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown. Sometime I can
> boot up and it will go off when it says "Waiting for udev events to finish"
> or something like that.
>
> I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing
> different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware thing
> but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of
> occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it
> done.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows
> after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop.
>
> --
>
> Willie Matthews
> matthews.willie@gmail.com
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!

[Willie]

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The same thing doesn't happen in Windows. So I am sure it is not over
heating.

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Andrew Hoffman <andy.hoffman12@gmail.com>wrote:

> Sounds like it could be a hardware issue. Does it do the same thing inside
> Windows? It might be overheating. Check for dust and proper cpu/powersupply
> fan operation.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Willie <matthews.willie@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Everyone,
>>
>> I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that
>> whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like I
>> did "shutdown -r now". Just completely off out of the blue at random times.
>> I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is
>> never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown. Sometime I can
>> boot up and it will go off when it says "Waiting for udev events to finish"
>> or something like that.
>>
>> I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing
>> different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware thing
>> but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of
>> occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it
>> done.
>>
>> Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows
>> after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Willie Matthews
>> matthews.willie@gmail.com
>>
>
>

-- 

Willie Matthews
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Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!

[Bruce Hill]

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:42:45PM -0800, Willie wrote:
> Hey Everyone,
> 
> I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that
> whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like I
> did "shutdown -r now". Just completely off out of the blue at random times.
> I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is
> never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown. Sometime I can
> boot up and it will go off when it says "Waiting for udev events to finish"
> or something like that.
> 
> I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing
> different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware thing
> but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of
> occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it
> done.
> 
> Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows after
> I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop.

Can you put app-admin/mcelog in /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords and
emerge it? It's maintainer wanted right now, so the only way to get the
updated software is ~arch. This will give you /var/log/mcelog ... atm I'm on
meds and can't remember the specifics to set it up ... "man mcelog" will help.

You can "dmesg | grep -i mce" now and see if there are any MCE errors.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!

[Willie]

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I will be doing that tonight if I can get it to stay on long enough! :-)

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Bruce Hill <daddy@happypenguincomputers.com
> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:42:45PM -0800, Willie wrote:
> > Hey Everyone,
> >
> > I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that
> > whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like
> I
> > did "shutdown -r now". Just completely off out of the blue at random
> times.
> > I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is
> > never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown. Sometime I
> can
> > boot up and it will go off when it says "Waiting for udev events to
> finish"
> > or something like that.
> >
> > I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing
> > different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware
> thing
> > but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of
> > occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting
> it
> > done.
> >
> > Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows
> after
> > I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop.
>
> Can you put app-admin/mcelog in /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords and
> emerge it? It's maintainer wanted right now, so the only way to get the
> updated software is ~arch. This will give you /var/log/mcelog ... atm I'm
> on
> meds and can't remember the specifics to set it up ... "man mcelog" will
> help.
>
> You can "dmesg | grep -i mce" now and see if there are any MCE errors.
> --
> Happy Penguin Gymnastics              >')
> 126 Fenco Drive                       ( \
> Tupelo, MS 38801                       ^^
> admin@happypenguingymnastics.com
> 662-321-7009
> http://happypenguingymnastics.com/
> FB: http://tiny.cc/HappyPenguinGymnastics
>
> Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
>
>


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Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!

[Willie]

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On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Bruce Hill <daddy@happypenguincomputers.com
> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:42:45PM -0800, Willie wrote:
> > Hey Everyone,
> >
> > I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that
> > whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like
> I
> > did "shutdown -r now". Just completely off out of the blue at random
> times.
> > I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is
> > never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown. Sometime I
> can
> > boot up and it will go off when it says "Waiting for udev events to
> finish"
> > or something like that.
> >
> > I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing
> > different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware
> thing
> > but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of
> > occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting
> it
> > done.
> >
> > Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows
> after
> > I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop.
>
> Can you put app-admin/mcelog in /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords and
> emerge it? It's maintainer wanted right now, so the only way to get the
> updated software is ~arch. This will give you /var/log/mcelog ... atm I'm
> on
> meds and can't remember the specifics to set it up ... "man mcelog" will
> help.
>
> You can "dmesg | grep -i mce" now and see if there are any MCE errors.
> --
> Happy Penguin Gymnastics              >')
> 126 Fenco Drive                       ( \
> Tupelo, MS 38801                       ^^
> admin@happypenguingymnastics.com
> 662-321-7009
> http://happypenguingymnastics.com/
> FB: http://tiny.cc/HappyPenguinGymnastics
>
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>
>
Tried to emerge the application a couple of time. Can't get the computer to
stay on long enough to build and install it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!

[Dale]

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Willie wrote:
> Hey Everyone,
>
> I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that
> whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown
> like I did "shutdown -r now". Just completely off out of the blue at
> random times. I have been reading the logs but there is nothing
> helpful at all. It is never the same thing on the logs when it does
> just shutdown. Sometime I can boot up and it will go off when it says
> "Waiting for udev events to finish" or something like that.
>
> I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing
> different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware
> thing but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a
> couple of occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I
> was getting it done.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows
> after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop.
>
> -- 
>
> Willie Matthews
> matthews.willie@gmail.com <mailto:matthews.willie@gmail.com>

Do you have a setting somewhere that when a fan gets below a certain
speed it shuts down thinking the fan has failed?  I know on mine I have
to turn that feature off, especially in the winter.  Sometimes my fans
only turn at a couple hundred rpms.  The mobo sometimes thinks the fan
has failed.  It seems to vary by brand as to what it does when this
happens but I suspect something in Linux not the BIOS itself. 

Since winders works, which is odd unto itself lol, then it has to be
some setting in Linux.  I wouldn't think it would be the kernel since it
usually locks up instead of cutting off.  Do you have lm-sensors
installed?  I think it has the ability to do this sort of thing.  That
would be IF this is causing the problem to begin with.  ;-) 

I'm sure you will get lots of ideas on this one tho.  There can be a lot
of causes.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!

[Sascha Cunz]

> I'm sure you will get lots of ideas on this one tho.  There can be a lot
> of causes.

RAM failure could be another one, which "could randomly vanish for a while 
when using another memory layout" (like in using another operating system).

So, I'd suggest to boot up a memory tester and let it run over night.

Sascha

Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!

[Dale]

Sascha Cunz wrote:
>> I'm sure you will get lots of ideas on this one tho.  There can be a lot
>> of causes.
> RAM failure could be another one, which "could randomly vanish for a while 
> when using another memory layout" (like in using another operating system).
>
> So, I'd suggest to boot up a memory tester and let it run over night.
>
> Sascha
>
>

That's a good one.  We all know Linux will cache stuff in ram until it
runs out.  If there is a bad stick of ram, even on the higher generally
unused part in windoze, Linux will eventually use it and cause some sort
of issue. 

Wouldn't that cause a hard lock up tho?  That has been my experience in
the past.  That could have changed tho.  It's been a good while since I
ran into bad ram like this. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!

[Willie]

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I thought about that one also. I didn't have any errors.

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Sascha Cunz <sascha-ml@babbelbox.org>wrote:

>
> > I'm sure you will get lots of ideas on this one tho.  There can be a lot
> > of causes.
>
> RAM failure could be another one, which "could randomly vanish for a while
> when using another memory layout" (like in using another operating system).
>
> So, I'd suggest to boot up a memory tester and let it run over night.
>
> Sascha
>
>


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Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!

[Willie]

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I think you might be on to something. Here in Vegas it gets to be about 50
at night and I like to have my window open. That is when it turns off the
most. I have been using this computer for years with Windows and Ubuntu
Linux and this is the first time it has started to happen. Do you know of
any setting in Gentoo that I would need to change for this?

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

>  Willie wrote:
>
> Hey Everyone,
>
>  I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that
> whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like I
> did "shutdown -r now". Just completely off out of the blue at random times.
> I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is
> never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown. Sometime I can
> boot up and it will go off when it says "Waiting for udev events to finish"
> or something like that.
>
>  I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing
> different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware thing
> but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of
> occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it
> done.
>
>  Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows
> after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop.
>
>  --
>
> Willie Matthews
> matthews.willie@gmail.com
>
>
> Do you have a setting somewhere that when a fan gets below a certain speed
> it shuts down thinking the fan has failed?  I know on mine I have to turn
> that feature off, especially in the winter.  Sometimes my fans only turn at
> a couple hundred rpms.  The mobo sometimes thinks the fan has failed.  It
> seems to vary by brand as to what it does when this happens but I suspect
> something in Linux not the BIOS itself.
>
> Since winders works, which is odd unto itself lol, then it has to be some
> setting in Linux.  I wouldn't think it would be the kernel since it usually
> locks up instead of cutting off.  Do you have lm-sensors installed?  I
> think it has the ability to do this sort of thing.  That would be IF this
> is causing the problem to begin with.  ;-)
>
> I'm sure you will get lots of ideas on this one tho.  There can be a lot
> of causes.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
> --
> I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
>
>


-- 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!

[Bill Kenworthy]

There is a thermal safety setting in the kernel somewhere ... it used to
do this to me when a cpu heatsink came adrift ... but the cpu had to get
quite hot to trigger it (was on an Intel core2) so it was ok until it
tried to do real work ... instant off.

Try monitoring the temperature.  Also, cpu thermal compound/tape can
lose its effectiveness on older PC's as well as the usual dust puppies
blocking cooling etc.  Also, depending on how it is setup, Linux might
be running just enough hotter than windows to trigger it.

BillK



On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 18:33 -0800, Willie wrote:
> I think you might be on to something. Here in Vegas it gets to be
> about 50 at night and I like to have my window open. That is when it
> turns off the most. I have been using this computer for years with
> Windows and Ubuntu Linux and this is the first time it has started to
> happen. Do you know of any setting in Gentoo that I would need to
> change for this?
> 
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>         Willie wrote:
>         
>         > Hey Everyone, 
>         > 
>         > 
>         > I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It
>         > seems that whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn
>         > off. Not shutdown like I did "shutdown -r now". Just
>         > completely off out of the blue at random times. I have been
>         > reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is
>         > never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown.
>         > Sometime I can boot up and it will go off when it says
>         > "Waiting for udev events to finish" or something like that.
>         > 
>         > 
>         > I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really
>         > nothing different. I installed Windows last night to see if
>         > it is a hardware thing but nope it stays on. I also tried
>         > reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of occasions on another Hard
>         > Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it done.
>         > 
>         > 
>         > Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be
>         > in Windows after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4
>         > desktop.
>         > 
>         > 
>         > -- 
>         > 
>         > Willie Matthews
>         > matthews.willie@gmail.com
>         > 
>         
>         
>         Do you have a setting somewhere that when a fan gets below a
>         certain speed it shuts down thinking the fan has failed?  I
>         know on mine I have to turn that feature off, especially in
>         the winter.  Sometimes my fans only turn at a couple hundred
>         rpms.  The mobo sometimes thinks the fan has failed.  It seems
>         to vary by brand as to what it does when this happens but I
>         suspect something in Linux not the BIOS itself.  
>         
>         Since winders works, which is odd unto itself lol, then it has
>         to be some setting in Linux.  I wouldn't think it would be the
>         kernel since it usually locks up instead of cutting off.  Do
>         you have lm-sensors installed?  I think it has the ability to
>         do this sort of thing.  That would be IF this is causing the
>         problem to begin with.  ;-)  
>         
>         I'm sure you will get lots of ideas on this one tho.  There
>         can be a lot of causes. 
>         
>         Dale
>         
>         :-)  :-)  
>         -- 
>         I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Willie Matthews
> matthews.willie@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!

[Willie]

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I will try monitoring the temp tomorrow. It will take me rebuilding the
kernel, I know that I left everything for monitoring hardware out. As for
the thermal compound. That was all changed yesterday.

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Bill Kenworthy <billk@iinet.net.au> wrote:

> There is a thermal safety setting in the kernel somewhere ... it used to
> do this to me when a cpu heatsink came adrift ... but the cpu had to get
> quite hot to trigger it (was on an Intel core2) so it was ok until it
> tried to do real work ... instant off.
>
> Try monitoring the temperature.  Also, cpu thermal compound/tape can
> lose its effectiveness on older PC's as well as the usual dust puppies
> blocking cooling etc.  Also, depending on how it is setup, Linux might
> be running just enough hotter than windows to trigger it.
>
> BillK
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 18:33 -0800, Willie wrote:
> > I think you might be on to something. Here in Vegas it gets to be
> > about 50 at night and I like to have my window open. That is when it
> > turns off the most. I have been using this computer for years with
> > Windows and Ubuntu Linux and this is the first time it has started to
> > happen. Do you know of any setting in Gentoo that I would need to
> > change for this?
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> >         Willie wrote:
> >
> >         > Hey Everyone,
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It
> >         > seems that whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn
> >         > off. Not shutdown like I did "shutdown -r now". Just
> >         > completely off out of the blue at random times. I have been
> >         > reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is
> >         > never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown.
> >         > Sometime I can boot up and it will go off when it says
> >         > "Waiting for udev events to finish" or something like that.
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really
> >         > nothing different. I installed Windows last night to see if
> >         > it is a hardware thing but nope it stays on. I also tried
> >         > reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of occasions on another Hard
> >         > Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it done.
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be
> >         > in Windows after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4
> >         > desktop.
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > --
> >         >
> >         > Willie Matthews
> >         > matthews.willie@gmail.com
> >         >
> >
> >
> >         Do you have a setting somewhere that when a fan gets below a
> >         certain speed it shuts down thinking the fan has failed?  I
> >         know on mine I have to turn that feature off, especially in
> >         the winter.  Sometimes my fans only turn at a couple hundred
> >         rpms.  The mobo sometimes thinks the fan has failed.  It seems
> >         to vary by brand as to what it does when this happens but I
> >         suspect something in Linux not the BIOS itself.
> >
> >         Since winders works, which is odd unto itself lol, then it has
> >         to be some setting in Linux.  I wouldn't think it would be the
> >         kernel since it usually locks up instead of cutting off.  Do
> >         you have lm-sensors installed?  I think it has the ability to
> >         do this sort of thing.  That would be IF this is causing the
> >         problem to begin with.  ;-)
> >
> >         I'm sure you will get lots of ideas on this one tho.  There
> >         can be a lot of causes.
> >
> >         Dale
> >
> >         :-)  :-)
> >         --
> >         I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you
> understood or how you interpreted my words!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Willie Matthews
> > matthews.willie@gmail.com
>
>
>
>


-- 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!

[Dale]

Bill Kenworthy wrote:
> There is a thermal safety setting in the kernel somewhere ... it used to
> do this to me when a cpu heatsink came adrift ... but the cpu had to get
> quite hot to trigger it (was on an Intel core2) so it was ok until it
> tried to do real work ... instant off.
>
> Try monitoring the temperature.  Also, cpu thermal compound/tape can
> lose its effectiveness on older PC's as well as the usual dust puppies
> blocking cooling etc.  Also, depending on how it is setup, Linux might
> be running just enough hotter than windows to trigger it.
>
> BillK
>
>

I would add this, when you first boot up, Linux is going to do things
that windoze doesn't do so Bill is right.  Running things like updatedb
is one that I can think of right off the top of my head.  Linux seems to
make hardware work more than windoze.  Modems come to mind.  Most of
those in windoze are software modems where Linux uses hardware.  Most
differences can be subtle but make enough of a difference. 

OP, as to how to watch this, I use gkrellm.  Watch temps, fan rpms and
such.  Heck, even watch drive activity.  Maybe you have a driver for the
mobo chipset that is generic or something.  Maybe there is a setting
that makes the kernel think the fans are not spinning and it forces it
to die.  On my old rig, I had to set up the divisor to 8 instead of 4. 
When it was set to 4, it would think the fans were no longer spinning
because it was below what it could read.  Picture a volt meter than can
measure from 100 to 140 volts.  If you are measuring wires that only
have 80 volts, to the meter, it is dead.  On my old rig, I had to
completely disable the shutdown feature for fans.  The temp part worked
fine but the fans caused issues, both in BIOS and in the kernel.  I have
done similar things in my new rig's BIOS.  In the winter especially, my
fans barely spin.  As I type, I have one spinning at 400 rpms and I have
the heater on.  Later tonight, it will drop to under 300 rpms.  That can
be hard for some to pick up when that slow. 

I would see if you have lm-sensors installed.  I don't use it since I
use the kernel tools directly but a lot of people use that since it can
do some things for laptops and such.  I think there is a directory in
/etc for that package.  Maybe something in there needs to be adjusted. 
If lm-sensors is started as a service, why not remove it and see if that
helps.  If it stays on, then you know where to look.  If it still does
it, then you need to move to something else. 

I hate random things like this.  Intermittent problems are like giving a
wild cat a bath.  It's tough all the way to the end of the job.  o_O 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 21:25:08 -0600, Dale wrote:

> I would add this, when you first boot up, Linux is going to do things
> that windoze doesn't do so Bill is right.  Running things like updatedb
> is one that I can think of right off the top of my head.  Linux seems to
> make hardware work more than windoze.

You could try running some sort of stress tester under Windows, to see if
extra load makes it break.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!

[Andrew Lowe]

On 14/11/2012 8:42 AM, Willie wrote:
> Hey Everyone,
>
> I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that
> whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like
> I did "shutdown -r now". Just completely off out of the blue at random
> times. I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all.
> It is never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown.
> Sometime I can boot up and it will go off when it says "Waiting for udev
> events to finish" or something like that.
>
> I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing
> different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware
> thing but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple
> of occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was
> getting it done.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows
> after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop.
>
> --
>
> Willie Matthews
> matthews.willie@gmail.com <mailto:matthews.willie@gmail.com>

Willy,
	Before you rebuild kernels etc, do you have a live CD, sysrescue, 
Gentoo minimal install, any of the Myth live CD's, lying around? Boot 
that and see if a "bog standard" configuration boots and displays the 
problem. If it gets up and is stable, then there is something in your 
actual config. If you have sysrescue, sysresccd.org, if it boots and is 
stable, you can then run a memory tester to see if anything manifests 
itself.

	Regards,
		Andrew

Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!

[Willie]

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On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Andrew Lowe <250520E@curtin.edu.au> wrote:

> On 14/11/2012 8:42 AM, Willie wrote:
>
>> Hey Everyone,
>>
>> I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that
>> whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like
>> I did "shutdown -r now". Just completely off out of the blue at random
>> times. I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all.
>> It is never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown.
>> Sometime I can boot up and it will go off when it says "Waiting for udev
>> events to finish" or something like that.
>>
>> I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing
>> different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware
>> thing but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple
>> of occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was
>> getting it done.
>>
>> Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows
>> after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Willie Matthews
>> matthews.willie@gmail.com <mailto:matthews.willie@gmail.**com<matthews.willie@gmail.com>
>> >
>>
>
> Willy,
>         Before you rebuild kernels etc, do you have a live CD, sysrescue,
> Gentoo minimal install, any of the Myth live CD's, lying around? Boot that
> and see if a "bog standard" configuration boots and displays the problem.
> If it gets up and is stable, then there is something in your actual config.
> If you have sysrescue, sysresccd.org, if it boots and is stable, you can
> then run a memory tester to see if anything manifests itself.
>
>         Regards,
>                 Andrew
>
>
>
I tried to reinstall Gentoo twice, both made the computer lose power. I
will be running the memory tester tonight when it is time to go to sleep
for the night.

-- 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!

[Dale]

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Willie wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Andrew Lowe <250520E@curtin.edu.au
> <mailto:250520E@curtin.edu.au>> wrote:
>
>     On 14/11/2012 8:42 AM, Willie wrote:
>
>         Hey Everyone,
>
>         I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems
>         that
>         whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not
>         shutdown like
>         I did "shutdown -r now". Just completely off out of the blue
>         at random
>         times. I have been reading the logs but there is nothing
>         helpful at all.
>         It is never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown.
>         Sometime I can boot up and it will go off when it says
>         "Waiting for udev
>         events to finish" or something like that.
>
>         I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really
>         nothing
>         different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a
>         hardware
>         thing but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo
>         on a couple
>         of occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while
>         I was
>         getting it done.
>
>         Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in
>         Windows
>         after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop.
>
>         --
>
>         Willie Matthews
>         matthews.willie@gmail.com <mailto:matthews.willie@gmail.com>
>         <mailto:matthews.willie@gmail.com
>         <mailto:matthews.willie@gmail.com>>
>
>
>     Willy,
>             Before you rebuild kernels etc, do you have a live CD,
>     sysrescue, Gentoo minimal install, any of the Myth live CD's,
>     lying around? Boot that and see if a "bog standard" configuration
>     boots and displays the problem. If it gets up and is stable, then
>     there is something in your actual config. If you have sysrescue,
>     sysresccd.org <http://sysresccd.org>, if it boots and is stable,
>     you can then run a memory tester to see if anything manifests itself.
>
>             Regards,
>                     Andrew
>
>
>
> I tried to reinstall Gentoo twice, both made the computer lose power.
> I will be running the memory tester tonight when it is time to go to
> sleep for the night.
>
> -- 
>
> Willie Matthews
> matthews.willie@gmail.com <mailto:matthews.willie@gmail.com>

Did it ever give you problems during the install?  I assume you were
booted from some sort of CD/DVD/USB stick or something Linux.  If it
runs fine from one of those, then it is certainly something to do with
the install.  It could be a LOT of things and you already have plenty to
try.  I think what people are trying to do is figure out if it is
hardware or something else.  It sounds like hardware is OK but running
memtest overnight would be a good idea. 

Oh the possibilities. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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