From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D231381F3 for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3321AE0720; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:01:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70312E06FE for ; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (66-208-231-133.ubr01a.rte20201.pa.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [66.208.231.133]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M9sRs-1TRFtU3KnI-00BDJT; Mon, 12 Nov 2012 06:59:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 05:59:39 -0600 From: Bruce Hill To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :) Message-ID: <20121112115939.GB17663@server> References: <5547419.JtVDJ1Bk26@energy> <20121111132241.GU17663@server> <1524141.GPK41Ktrl4@gentoo> <20121112013321.64a4e1e0@khamul.example.com> <20121112010637.GW17663@server> <20121112035752.3d999f75@khamul.example.com> <20121112052106.GA17663@server> <20121112093703.552345f8@digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20121112093703.552345f8@digimed.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:bQ9Do8/GWgfmUelzOMXNJ+NUS0TA2+GBX34zttT1qFe puBKVloa92qc1MpLiEpobeXMthMi3kmN8WpXGKNUbtM2akH5a/ lSNtivCYortivJExN1+du+fc+gcr6aWM3eGywqUrJNkA6qPnIo dOKfw8cMcoT5Sd9/fQ4ITQ44qpuHkh8QuB/13t2D5fAfHJ6Z39 hM/L+lCyvzpLdRMvIUZDcQA2zhhr5W1Y8pdz4YDBJrg5UVPwg2 h8UT4AsDsa4xQ3Tfd0AsIx6GkKB2kiu9eAWZJGEOTmJ52fupZU cVO/3ETSEYn3RnOHrtKjLw0B0/gVGbB9w2wdICKuukFu0YmqD3 5T7NWD1aMAUME3H9MYc2NjDLMYel0qzQCXbA8Krsf X-Archives-Salt: 064fd841-8ef0-4b0f-9b93-fd093ac5a0bd X-Archives-Hash: f3e9ccb36756f7c823e516d9924199a1 On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 09:37:03AM +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:21:06 -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: > > > If we also stick to helping someone with their problem, and refrain from > > replying about how bad or useless we think an app or ideal might be to > > us, we could avoid flame wars. > > Unfortunately, there are times when it is necessary to point out how bad > an idea is in order to help someone. Recent example: the suggestion to > use dd to copy one drive to another with a different block size. While > this may have worked for the person suggesting it, it is a bad idea in > general and refraining from stating that could have resulted n problems > for someone following that advice. Might I suggest that it is more appropriate, and more likely to be received, if it is 'pointed out' with logic, technical explanation, and courtesy. > Surely stating the merits or otherwise of an idea is a core element of > discussion, and discussion is what this list is about. Which can (and should) be done well without sarcasm and personal attack. > On the topic of swearing, some consider it "bad language", as you do, and > I respect that view. Others consider it a means of expression (others > seem to use it for punctuation, but no one is defending that). There are > times that some words can add emotion or emphasis to a statement, > especially when used rarely, but on a list like this there is generally > little or no need for it. However, not all users of this list are > native-English speakers and other cultures see use of such language > different - one only has to look at the comments made on the podium of > the Abu Dhabi F1 Grand Prix, made by professional drivers who are paid > not to offend. God, whom you mention in your sig, has written His law on the heart of every one, so that "they are without excuse". Having visited 10 countries, and lived in China for almost 9 years, my experience has been that even most heathen in remote villages understand propriety. This person doing post-grad work in a Mexican universtiy well understands. But even if you doubt that, just reference his remark: "I hope it doesn't offend anyone. That was not (nor is) the intention." Seems he didn't *really* mean that, and will continue to offend others. > -- > Neil Bothwick > > And on the seventh day God said :wq and then make -- Happy Penguin Computers >') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ support@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting