From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0BE138010 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 01:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B4487E039A; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 01:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f181.google.com (mail-we0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399B7E02FB for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 01:55:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wera48 with SMTP id a48so23209wer.40 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:55:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aLmJN4qfvxjk/dmRt8iv28IoSe2TmL/tjehovA9neYQ=; b=S4GkworzbtMuQlxdr38/VphGsymwTaD+j0guJ87lS0muMT5pf/NEnhNCT4jtMVPPnF gjAPZrhQgY7wyHUYRjMP8hvitn5efjJNTAR/XmrTE4JylSQ3F8MIGgYiuImarcDzoYFu WmdPTtysA41fZcyNJ6NkZWpddcQDc6E4SlR8Oz/VViOZ//pEhvlcyOsKe/httyQ5IqRF 5Zn0BXI+ErY4D4zVV2yMUyT3bRwLyxc9uTKqfsD0hj3GYj64j6IZeH7Q6i7bbACC6Iho gma/XIa8ZyuSFAOaiQ9esYIvbBgCBKdCjAvYABfKFuoPE1nY8loAz7qTcQ+c76WNk8RA c1fw== Received: by 10.216.132.76 with SMTP id n54mr9611680wei.135.1346205348175; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from khamul.example.com (196-215-205-207.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.215.205.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fr4sm11735320wib.8.2012.08.28.18.55.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 28 Aug 2012 18:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 03:55:20 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] My PC died. What should I try? Message-ID: <20120829035520.390f0ac0@khamul.example.com> In-Reply-To: <503D6AB7.7080208@gmail.com> References: <502DF7D0.8010200@wonkology.org> <502E9E84.4060500@wonkology.org> <503D30C7.1000209@wonkology.org> <201208290115.30740.peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> <20120829022900.0e6d7be7@khamul.example.com> <503D6AB7.7080208@gmail.com> Organization: Internet Solutions X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.11; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 35c1a4dc-23b2-4f55-a8fa-e8bdcebeaddd X-Archives-Hash: 090b51e220630ae5ef6ec41c612f8565 On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:04:55 -0500 Dale wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: > > Rule #1 in dealing with odd weird strange computer faults is ALWAYS > > test with another PSU of at least twice the capacity you think you > > need. > > +1 I always start with the P/S. Well, unless I see something else > unrelated letting the smoke out. Even then tho, a bad P/S can cause > the smoke to get out of something else too. It's good advice all the > way around. > > Why not let the computer shop test the P/S? If it blows up something > of theirs, it's bad. ;-) You obviously have a much better opinion of the average repair techie than I do. The average repair techie would know how to fault find his way out of a paper bag - the "change bits till it starts working" is the only technique they know. That's not to say you don't get good ones - you do - but they are rare. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com